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Actually, I don't have much of problem with this....

Are you Ken?

No, I just thought that I'd stick my ore in.

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Then perhaps that has changed since the days of IVS. I apologize.

It's nice to see this. Thank you.

It is isn't it. More than that, we got another one a few posts later. I think I also saw one in another thread where I would otherwise have expected escalation. Potential slinging avoided!

Sadly, I doubt that it would have happened if I were not pushing so hard. Believe it or not, I'm not enjoying it, and I HATE the image it's portraying of me, but it DOES look like it's getting results. If it really does work for seeing this improvement more widespread, I think that it's even worth me getting baned for.

Regrettably, I continue...

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Who set you up as the judge, you find my behavior abominable and I find yours equally so.  Look to your won house and stop worrying about what is in mine.That is your Stuart, along with a few others, you believe yourself qualified to sit in judgement of others...YOU aren't.

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In that case, neither are you. So why do you? In one of my examples, you incorrectly judged another's motives and acted upon that judgment to apply sentence. How is that different to what I'm doing now? Why should I be subject to being chastised, yet you should not?

If we should not be judging the behaviour of others, then you need to adjust the way that you interact with people. In this thread only today, you pass judgment on another user. It could also be said that you're passing judgment on me here, whilst simultaneously telling me not to pas judgment on you.

I think that what people say SHOULD be subject to judgment of their peers. If I'm acting like a dick, I think that people should step up and stop me. So far in this thread, some people have implied that I over-reacted in another thread and I apologised for that. None except Skip have so far told me to stop here, although I have invited it and will listen (not that I'm making any promises).

I think that you make comments that have no place in these forums - others have expressed similar opinions on many occasions. I think that your peers have judged you, but are not in a position to enact sentence other than to ask you to stop (a response you have ignores several times, including some I have referenced). I also think that you have judged them, and are happy to pass your judgment on them (calling people names etc.).

So who is 'qualified' to pass judgment? Invelos! But what are they passing judgment on? Individuals, or the manner in which the forum chooses to self regulate? Well, they seem to do little of either. If we're talking individuals, I've seen numerous occasions where your posts have been heavily edited. I wouldn't surprise me to find that you are the most censored person in the forums. I've been edited once, on an occasion that I myself brought Ken's attention to my own outburst, knowing that it would be edited (you were also edited at the same time). What does that say about Invelos' judgment of you?

What I'm doing here is an attempt at establishing self (as in forum) regulation. Invelos has passed no judgment against it, so am I to assume that it is acceptable in their eyes? If so, perhaps you are incorrect to say that it is not my place, as one of your peers, to judge you. Perhaps behaviour that is subject to judgment by your peers IS what Invelos wants.

Can you not simply accept that you are wrong in your behaviour, or that any judgment you pass on someone else, you should also be subject to? Because at the moment, you speak of fairness and consideration, but demonstrate the exact opposite.

If you think I am wrong, please give reasoned argument as to why, as I have for you.

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It is up to the others because I am usually responding to an attack. Drop your self-righteousness and your double standard and lok to your OWN behavior.

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Like I said, it's up to others. Iwill NOT sit back and let myself get hammerd incessantly by any and all, including you, and not respond. So if you want to see a difference, stop worrying about me and look to yourself. One person can make a difference, one of my problems with you and others is that while you like to try to hammer for what you perceive as my badness, you ignore the behavior of others which in my book is far worse than mine. Double standards will always raise my ire.  I am here for my own pleasure and sometimes that includes a sharp sense of humor.

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No Skip, it is up to you.  Nobody controls your behavior but you.  That is a cop-out that most people grow out of by the time they are twelve.  And, if one person can make a difference, why can't you be that one person?

Stuart had even used PART of a comment I made and did not bother to look at the context of that quote evidently. So he in essence excused the gross behavior this foolish user, in order to attack me for responding to a nasty post.

Like I said Unicus, the self-righteousness, hypocrisy and double standard of many concerned here STINKS.
Show me.

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Take for example a thread in which Stuuart was involved, in which a new user has made three posts plus one PM all of them have been nasty and inflammtory.

Which thread was this, cos I have to admit I missed it too? If you're talking about the bigbadbear (or whatever her name is) posts, then they were attacks on the community in general. If I'm remembering rightly the only comments she made to you specifically were referring to the fact that you assumed she was a he. I'm sure others also pulled her on her attitude, so it wasn't as if it was unnoticed.
Apologies if I've remembered wrong or got the wrong example.

Oh hell, the proof is in the pudding.  In every one of these forums spats, one of the participants is always the same person.  It's pretty obvious there's little wrong with the community that one person wouldn't fix.  This is just beyond silly.

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Exactly the kind of garbage I refer to.

Exactly the kind of nonsense comment that is the only thing you can muster when confronted with an uncomfortable truth...