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So now your position is that even though the Data is correct you want to remove it because it includes functionality you don't want? People don't get credited for a host of reasons especially in the old studio days.

It's not a carbon copy and what the rules actually say is to CHANGE data you need to provide documentation. You are the one wanting to change the Data so provide the documentation that it is wrong. Kind of difficult since we now know it's right.

This has always been Rifter's position and he has always been upfront about it. If he had his way, all "uncredited" cast would be removed from the database.

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On the "documentation" bit..... these credits have been in this profile at least 6 years. We had no such rule in place 6 years ago when this profile was contributed with the uncredited cast.

If we followed your thinking, almost all uncredited cast would have to be removed. I know, that's what you want. But that isn't what we want and you are in a very small minority on this subject. If you want to begin removing all "uncredited" cast from the db you might have chosen a less obvious release. All you have succeeded in doing is exposing your desire to remove all uncredited cast to more people and more will be watching for this from you.

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The rules say no documentation, no uncredited entries, and if that is the case, they can be removed.

The rules don't say that.

Ken said that, and Ken IS the rules.

Ken did not say that either.

Yes, he did.

Isn't there also the added problem that any documentation for profiles this old will be on the Intervocative site - are we still able to access these contribution notes?

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So now your position is that even though the Data is correct you want to remove it because it includes functionality you don't want? People don't get credited for a host of reasons especially in the old studio days.

It's not a carbon copy and what the rules actually say is to CHANGE data you need to provide documentation. You are the one wanting to change the Data so provide the documentation that it is wrong. Kind of difficult since we now know it's right.

This has always been Rifter's position and he has always been upfront about it. If he had his way, all "uncredited" cast would be removed from the database.

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On the "documentation" bit..... these credits have been in this profile at least 6 years. We had no such rule in place 6 years ago when this profile was contributed with the uncredited cast.

If we followed your thinking, almost all uncredited cast would have to be removed. I know, that's what you want. But that isn't what we want and you are in a very small minority on this subject. If you want to begin removing all "uncredited" cast from the db you might have chosen a less obvious release. All you have succeeded in doing is exposing your desire to remove all uncredited cast to more people and more will be watching for this from you.

And like I've said a hundred times before - though apparently nobody pays any attention to it - I am NOT opposed to legitimate, documented, well-known cameo type uncredited entries.  I AM opposed to blatant data scraping from other sources that are nothing but lists of the damn extras with stuff like "3rd guy from left in the rear of the 2nd crowd scene".  That is what most of the uncredited stuff consists of.  We all know it, and we all know where it came from.  I defy anybody to prove to me that 98% of this is anything but crap dredged up by people who are too god-damned lazy to do a proper cast list from the credits.  It serves no useful purpose.

I will tell you this, though, if people start jumping my case for legitimate removals there will be hell to pay, because I'll start looking for the least little thing to jump on.

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The rules say no documentation, no uncredited entries, and if that is the case, they can be removed.

The rules don't say that.

Ken said that, and Ken IS the rules.

Ken did not say that either.

Yes, he did.

Where? Do you mind quoting it for us so we can all see it in the context he said it?

I don't need to dig it up.  I was here online the day he made the comments.  Somebody else already made reference to it in another thread not too long ago as well.

The point in having you post it is that, at the moment, it looks like something you made up. If you want us to buy into this, you might reconsider. I certainly didn't see it and apparently, several others didn't either.

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The rules say no documentation, no uncredited entries, and if that is the case, they can be removed.

The rules don't say that.

Ken said that, and Ken IS the rules.

Ken did not say that either.

Yes, he did.

Where? Do you mind quoting it for us so we can all see it in the context he said it?

I don't need to dig it up.  I was here online the day he made the comments.  Somebody else already made reference to it in another thread not too long ago as well.

The point in having you post it is that, at the moment, it looks like something you made up. If you want us to buy into this, you might reconsider. I certainly didn't see it and apparently, several others didn't either.

DanW

I reaally did not mean to jump in your argument here but look at Unicus post to me near the bottom of page 2 apparently he did say that.

sorry for intruding,back ti your regularly scheduled boxing match,

Here Dan

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I'll reiterate it here - if the source of the data is not immediately evident, there's no reason to remove uncredited entries.  However, if (for instance), tarhe data is a carbon copy of IMDB or any other third party database, that is enough reason to remove it.  When removing it, be specific in your contribution notes so we don't pass it over.

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Yes, if they are clearly exact copies, they should be removed before resubmitting.

The above are Ken's most recent quotes on the topic.

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The rules say no documentation, no uncredited entries, and if that is the case, they can be removed.

The rules don't say that.

Ken said that, and Ken IS the rules.

Ken did not say that either.

Yes, he did.

Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?

I think it's the half hour version.

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Yes, if they are clearly exact copies, they should be removed before resubmitting.

I think the operative word is "exact".