I get it, James. Just make sure YOU follow it too, I will vote NO in a heartbeat, no room for error. If that's the way you want it that is what you will get. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Skip

Unicus:

I would agree except for one major fallacy in your argument. I initially chose NOT to make a particular change, I do not see that requirement anywhere in the Rules. You can bet if I had been undoing that piece of data, I would not have offered the Contribution. I see a lot of user making the interpretation that data must be complete and accurate, that is NOT in the Rules ANYWHERE. But this thread sets the precedent, so...

Skip

PLEASE STOP!

This stuff is getting OLD, Ken please LOCK this thread! All this is going to do is chase even more people away, do we really want that? I know I am about to leave.

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Unicus:

I would agree except for one major fallacy in your argument. I initially chose NOT to make a particular change, I do not see that requirement anywhere in the Rules. You can bet if I had been undoing that piece of data, I would not have offered the Contribution. I see a lot of user making the interpretation that data must be complete and accurate, that is NOT in the Rules ANYWHERE. But this thread sets the precedent, so...

Skip

There is no 'fallacy' in my argument.  You made a change to the overview and contributed it...something you didn't have to do.  You could have kept the change local.  Problem is, you didn't.  Once you decided to upload a 'changed' overview, it had to follow the rules.  Your's did not so it deserved a 'no' vote.

As I have said...twice now...I have seen you vote 'no' in similar situations.  I have gotten 'no' votes from you in similar situations.  All that happened here is you were held to the same standard you hold other people to.

This is part of the problem, Unicus, you don't see a fallacy in your argument and I absolutely do. You are welcome to believe that and I am welcome to have my opinion as well. There is NOTHING further to be gained here, except to exacerbate hard feelings, which we have quite enough of...thank you vey much....NOT.

As far as I am concerned this discussion is finished, I have made my opinions known and they remain the same.

Now to some productive thinking

Go, Fred , Go

Skip

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This is part of the problem, Unicus, you don't see a fallacy in your argument and I absolutely do. You are welcome to believe that and I am welcome to have my opinion as well. There is NOTHING further to be gained here, except to exacerbate hard feelings, which we have quite enough of...thank you vey much....NOT.

As far as I am concerned this discussion is finished, I have made my opinions known and they remain the same.

Just so we are clear, I don't have any hard feelings. 

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Now to some productive thinking

Go, Fred , Go

Skip

I am right there with ya brother. 

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Unicus:

I make many votes, if the data is correct but incomplete, I will make note of it, I may even leave a note with a yes and the user can do as he wishes, I can't tell whether it was an oversight or deliberate. If the user made a conscious choice to submit correct but incomplete data then, it is for me to make the correction at some future date. I have done this for two years, there is adifference between bad data and incomplete data.

Skip

I agree. For example, if someone contributes improved cover scans, should they be voted down if the contributor does not supplement the full cast/crew at the same time? Let's collaborate, not antagonize.

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Skip said, outright, that it was a choice he made.

The Rules are in place to eliminate user choices... Skip knows that, possiby better than anyone else, or so I thought.


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An earlier post is one I felt that was filled with oddities.

Shorten for, well, length.

You are right, those are oddities. It shows in almost every single item, that Skip gets to conribute what he feels is right and we get to contribute according the Rules.

I will not comment on the contributor's behavior displayed in the contribution notes and this thread. It speaks for itself.

You are preaching to the choir here, I agree with you.

It seems several of you missed what I was saying. I pointed out at least 6 things Skip said that you could have taken issue with. Instead of going after any one of those, you guys went after an "accurate and complete" argument that he openly said he chose not to do. This made your argument pretty much moot and left you with only one choice... vote no and resubmit it yourself.

If any of you would go after the real issues with what Skip is doing, Ken would have no choice but to stop this BS.

I absolutely agree with those who feel that this is doing nothing but running people off and ultimately it will have an impact on contributions. Anyone notice my contribution count? I stopped contributing well over a year ago and have no intention of starting back up again. Why??? Because of garbage like this.

The longer and more often you people do this, the fewer contributors you will have.

Reasons I do not and will not contribute like I used to:
1) threads like this, over a minor thing
2) weak ass arguments like the one in this thread
3) Skip doing what ever the hell he wants
4) Skip being an ass every time he's disagreed with
5) The group, as a whole, has to cater to Skip because he contributes more than anyone else
6) Lack of reason in fellow forum members - just because I disagree with you does not mean I'm stupid or that I'm wrong. It simply means we disagree. Did you get that one, Skip??? Several of you others are no better.
7) Ken does nothing to curb these arguments. I still say that he enjoys reading threads like these.
8) I still can't profile over 300 titles in my collection - an ever-growing number that will increase exponentially due to Skip's silly ideas.
9) I get arguments like "you are telling us that all the previous work has to be undone and by doing so you are telling those contributors to go to hell." Yet, when you begin removing profiles, it doesn't matter that I did some of that work and it removes more profiles than I would change.
10) Data is forced into "fixes" due to the way it's laid out in the program
11) the next "version" always changes the data which forces the contributions to be redone.
12) I have plenty more.....

No, I won't be contributing and I don't see any reason that these or any other of my reasons will change.

BTW folks, a large amount of your profiles will be deleted if you guys sit back and allow this divider trash to continue. Dividers are one of the worst ideas to come along and the way Skip is attempting to use them, it will only get worse. We are losing data and a lot of it.

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If you make changes to one section, it is your responsibility to make sure that you made the entire section follow the rules or you will get a no vote.

On the whole I agree with this too; IMO with something like an overview you can't part fix and part leave it and expect Yes votes because you end up contributing something incorrect.