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Anamorphic on Blu-ray/DVD Combo Sets. To tick or not to tick, that is the question |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | The rule about using the data from the HD came out of discussions of conflicting data. The program design and common sense make it impossible to take it as a blanket statement. Otherwise, you end up with the diea that you shouldn't check DVD as a medium because you are supposed to get data from the HD disc. As others have pointed out, combos combine the fields for DVD and Blu-ray. This had to be intentionally programmed, so it doesn't make sense to call it an oversight with no further evidence. I think the only way to interpret the rule in question that's consisent with the original discussion and with the program design is that if there is a conflict between the SD and HD data, you should use the HD data. |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Well how do you want me to reword that to vote yes then
You don't have to change a thing - the voters and screeners can look at the situation and make their own decisions. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree Kino. All the same suspects. Even to the point of ignoring a polite request to discuss something that is Germaine to this thread. Am I surprised...no...saddened...yes. because these same users have created untold damage to both the rules and the online with this behavior for years.
Let it be noted that I am not pointing at anyone in particular. This problem is far bigger than a single user. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Quoting Scooter1836:
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Well how do you want me to reword that to vote yes then
You don't have to change a thing - the voters and screeners can look at the situation and make their own decisions. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 762 |
| Posted: | | | | I think the rule is perfectly clear. Anamorphic should not be ticked for the main profile of a Blu-ray/DVD Combo set.
How can this rule be read any different? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: The rule about using the data from the HD came out of discussions of conflicting data. The program design and common sense make it impossible to take it as a blanket statement. Otherwise, you end up with the diea that you shouldn't check DVD as a medium because you are supposed to get data from the HD disc. As others have pointed out, combos combine the fields for DVD and Blu-ray. This had to be intentionally programmed, so it doesn't make sense to call it an oversight with no further evidence. I think the only way to interpret the rule in question that's consisent with the original discussion and with the program design is that if there is a conflict between the SD and HD data, you should use the HD data. Ace you can't be more wrong, but I know you well enough to know...never mind. Wasting my breath. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: I think the only way to interpret the rule in question that's consisent with the original discussion and with the program design is that if there is a conflict between the SD and HD data, you should use the HD data. Agreed, and the HD Data is that it is non-anamorphic. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | And the DVD child will likely have anamorphic checked, as it should...if applicable. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | The rules:
"Section Clarification / Adjustment to Rules Title The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the front cover, for example Alien Quadrilogy Production Year Production Year for a Box Set should be the year of the earliest feature release in the set. Running Time Use the combined running time of all the films in the Box Set; do not include running time of any extra features. Rating If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult Disc IDs Do not include any Disc IDs on the main profile - these are listed on each of the individual profiles. Easter Eggs Do not include any Easter Eggs on the main profile - Easter Eggs will be handled within the individual profiles. Credits Do not use credits for the box set - Credits will be listed on the individual profiles. For additional information on handling of TV Series type releases see the TV series section. Overview If the box set cover contains a listing of contents with brief descriptions of each, enter it directly into the Overview field. If there is no overview on the cover, an overview from an included booklet may be substituted. Otherwise, enter an itemized listing of the contents only, without descriptions.
In addition to the above, the following are not included on the box set profile: Subtitles, Audio & Disc Features. List them with the individual profiles.
Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile."
I have carefully read this many times. The last paragraph is the one that seems to be the point that some feel makes this issue clear that the Video Format should be excluded.
If you read and apply the entire section, invelos has singled out exactly what parts we do NOT include in these cases:
- Disc Id - Easter Eggs - Credits - Subtitles - Audio - Disc Features
Where in the rules do they tell us that Video Format should be excluded from the parent profile?
As far as I know, it doesn't. Which is why I believe the issue is not as clear as some people.
I don't mind if other people do not agree, but I have the right to express my opinion and it is just as valid as anyone else.
Discussions and disagreements should be able to be made without insulting accusations such as "deliberate obfuscations" or "damage that some users have done to both the rules and the online with absurdity."
Comments such as these are not productive and do not contribute anything positive to the discussion. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Discussions and disagreements should be able to be made without insulting accusations such as "deliberate obfuscations" or "damage that some users have done to both the rules and the online with absurdity."
Comments such as these are not productive and do not contribute anything positive to the discussion. I disagree with you on this subject, I think the rules is pretty clear but agree with you on the above 100%. Even though I think the rule is pretty clear I don't think there is any harm in discussing it. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile.I think that part is very clear, the Blu-ray is NOT anamorphic and the data in the profile should be captured as such. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy Is this hard to understand. We are not talking about boxsets in the traditional sense. Bd combos hsve their own set if rules. You are wrong admit it, yes I am calling you on it. This has beeb repeatedly explained by myself and others. You are squirming because you don't want to be wrong, keep throwing mud on the wall and see what sticks. I have other things I could say and that have been said to me privately but I think more of you than that. Stop your usual muddy the water until the rule is damaged and so is the database, the rule for combos has been quoted, it is clear it is easy to understand. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: The rules:
"Section Clarification / Adjustment to Rules Title The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the front cover, for example Alien Quadrilogy Production Year Production Year for a Box Set should be the year of the earliest feature release in the set. Running Time Use the combined running time of all the films in the Box Set; do not include running time of any extra features. Rating If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult Disc IDs Do not include any Disc IDs on the main profile - these are listed on each of the individual profiles. Easter Eggs Do not include any Easter Eggs on the main profile - Easter Eggs will be handled within the individual profiles. Credits Do not use credits for the box set - Credits will be listed on the individual profiles. For additional information on handling of TV Series type releases see the TV series section. Overview If the box set cover contains a listing of contents with brief descriptions of each, enter it directly into the Overview field. If there is no overview on the cover, an overview from an included booklet may be substituted. Otherwise, enter an itemized listing of the contents only, without descriptions.
In addition to the above, the following are not included on the box set profile: Subtitles, Audio & Disc Features. List them with the individual profiles.
Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile."
I have carefully read this many times. The last paragraph is the one that seems to be the point that some feel makes this issue clear that the Video Format should be excluded.
If you read and apply the entire section, invelos has singled out exactly what parts we do NOT include in these cases:
- Disc Id - Easter Eggs - Credits - Subtitles - Audio - Disc Features
Where in the rules do they tell us that Video Format should be excluded from the parent profile?
As far as I know, it doesn't. Which is why I believe the issue is not as clear as some people.
I don't mind if other people do not agree, but I have the right to express my opinion and it is just as valid as anyone else.
Discussions and disagreements should be able to be made without insulting accusations such as "deliberate obfuscations" or "damage that some users have done to both the rules and the online with absurdity."
Comments such as these are not productive and do not contribute anything positive to the discussion. Ok, what BD/DVD combo do you see that the parent does not have - Disc Id - Easter Eggs - Credits - Subtitles - Audio - Disc Features Those are the box set rules which do not apply to BD/DVD combo's "Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. " "A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile." Video format is absolutely supposed to be included in BD/DVD combo's just as Disc Id, Easter Eggs, Credits, Subtitles, Audio, Disc Features are to be included since are to be entered as a normal profile. However as it also states the detail from the HD media So I am not really sure where you are going with your last post. I am trying... | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: Quoting Kathy:
Quote: Discussions and disagreements should be able to be made without insulting accusations such as "deliberate obfuscations" or "damage that some users have done to both the rules and the online with absurdity."
Comments such as these are not productive and do not contribute anything positive to the discussion.
I disagree with you on this subject, I think the rules is pretty clear but agree with you on the above 100%. Even though I think the rule is pretty clear I don't think there is any harm in discussing it.
A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile.
I think that part is very clear, the Blu-ray is NOT anamorphic and the data in the profile should be captured as such. Agreed. The biggest positive I see in ksthys post is that is trying to apply the wrong rule but still thinks she is right. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Quoting Scooter1836:
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Well how do you want me to reword that to vote yes then
You don't have to change a thing - the voters and screeners can look at the situation and make their own decisions. Thne you should take the statistics out of the text, because the numbers are out of date and not showing the context of what is being said. Those that are not in agreement are not citing rule ambiguities. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to do this and it makes me sad. Kathy we have a rule, which is clear. Further you try to cite a rule which is not even applicable and finally you try to make the forums relevant tilo support a no vote. The rules are what they are and there is absolutely nothing in the rules that permits the forum yo be fodder in support of any vote, yes or no. Absolutely incredible and you wonder why I talk about the damage done to the online and the rules. I hope that ken will ask me about the damage I will be only to happy to define it in specific detail for him and I do mean specific. This is shocking beyond belief. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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