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Not meant as an attack. I dont want to go further because it would probably turn into One.

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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Just to be clear, this isn't the practice we are talking about.  While it was what the OP started out with, we are now talking about doing the following...

Audit cast and crew for a title you own

Download every profile, from every region, for that title

Copy & paste the cast and crew data from your profile to all those profiles

Upload all those profiles stating that you got the cast and crew from the end credits

Repeat for next title

Actually that's not exactly what I was suggesting. I was suggesting there to be a place, a central location that a verified list of cast/crew could be obtained and people could use that for a copy they have purchased (or at least a guide). This list would be public so many people could add their voice - thus ensuring that this particular list of cast and crew for this particular movie was pretty much 100% correct.

A user could then use this list when compiling the contribution for their own copy of the release.

Under no circumstance should any user alter a profile to which they do not own a copy of that release.

My reason for this is mainly new releases, not old releases. Unfortunately many new releases already contain cast/crew YET the thing hasn't been released for purchase yet. It's got in there because people have added it via wishlist or ordered a pre-release copy. Where do people get the cast and crew list if they don't have a physical copy to check? Well, if they are in the UK or somewhere and it's already been released in the USA then maybe they are copying the cast crew list from the USA entry. But who is to say this list is correct? Do people actually then double check when they finally get their physical copy and resubmit the cast/crew after checking against the credits. I am willing to bet that a large number don't. Even if such people don't add the cast/crew until they actually get/own the physical copy, I imagine a lot still copy the list if it exists elsewhere. Either way, as many have suggested, how does one know the list is correct?

Thus my suggestion, if films/movies had a place where there was a verified list already existing, at least when people do this "pre-profiling" there would be less chances of errors. It would also mean there is a place lists can be checked against, and I don't mean a user here, but it also means that old profiled entries that look suspicious (like you people are talking about IMDB etc), can be checked against this list. it would also give screeners somewhere to check the list. Like, how do the screeners know now that someone has submitted a correct cast and crew list? Do they also have to own a copy of the exact same release? I would say not because if they did then they would have submitted the profile themselves.

There are just too many places for things to go wrong, at least having a public list for a film/movie/tv show gives some credence and also a place where people can argue if they see something wrong with that list.

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Here is what it sounds to me what you are after. It sounds like you want. A universal profile, which may work most of the time bit not all the time

Concerning IMDB "Ban"

A couple of statements found at intervocative, with these, I have to assume the "ban" was in effect before this date, and apparently was in the guidelines at that time

Nov 23, 2004

Quoting Ken Cole

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The IMDB data is owned by the IMDB, so I have to ask that any discussions about importing from the IMDB occur elsewhere.  As always, anything contributed to the online database should come directly from the source, and not from a separate third party database.

I hope everyone understands the position we are in on this, and helps us to avoid any legal issues.

July 16, 2005

Quoting Ken Cole

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Correction- IMDB may not be used even for uncredited information.

Charlie

As far as cloning, while Ken accepts it, I think there are inherent problems.

As always, the info should be verified from the disc on hand, and not just blindly accepted.

1. I have seen contributions that have made corrections based upon a cloned profile, that actually altered already correct information in an existing profile. 

2. There are errors in the DB, that are carry overs from years ago that are still being cloned.

3.  There are clonings from different localities, that may very well have changes to casts, crew and or roles.

These all should be corrected from the clone before submission.  The argument that I have heard, some info is better than none, and it will be corrected later does not work. 

If you are going to contribute, the thing that I ask, is to take ownership of what you contribute.  If it is a minor studio change, or a full audit, verify that it is correct, and if an error is pointed out to you, take an appropriate action (whatever that may be)

Charlie

Quoting CharlieM:

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As always, the info should be verified from the disc on hand, and not just blindly accepted.

Charlie

And the biggest offenders of this is the screeners who accept cast and crew on a pre-release profile. And then there are the people who contribute it, and never do an update edit when they get the DVD. By that time it has been cloned to multiple UPC's.

Quoting Winston Smith:

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Martian:
You publicly all but called me a liar.

So let me get this straight, anytime someone disagrees with the way you remember something...which is all I did...they are calling you a liar?  I am sorry, but that is just sad.

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I have news for you in 2005 the program was five years old.

And your point is what?  While I didn't register as a IVS forum user untill 2001, I was using the program and a lurker starting in 2000, so already knew this.

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Contact ken colé I know what he will tell you, then you can apologize. Or are you afraid to ask the horse, and find out that you were WRONG, certainly will not be the first or lady time.

I will not bother Ken with this childish tripe.  If you want to ask him, and get him to post a reply or produce an older copy of the guidelines, I will happily admit I was wrong.  Unlike you, I have no problem doing so.

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Bit to just cast aspersions is unacceptable.

I disagreed with your recollection, I didn't cast aspersions.  If you think I did, well, you have pretty thin skin. 

Quoting CharlieM:

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Concerning IMDB "Ban"

A couple of statements found at intervocative, with these, I have to assume the "ban" was in effect before this date, and apparently was in the guidelines at that time

Nov 23, 2004

Quoting Ken Cole

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The IMDB data is owned by the IMDB, so I have to ask that any discussions about importing from the IMDB occur elsewhere.  As always, anything contributed to the online database should come directly from the source, and not from a separate third party database.

I hope everyone understands the position we are in on this, and helps us to avoid any legal issues.

July 16, 2005

Quoting Ken Cole

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Correction- IMDB may not be used even for uncredited information.

Charlie

Thanks for those posts Charlie...which reinforce my opinion that it doesn't make any sense for Ken to remove a strict prohibition, expressly forbidding the use of IMDb data, from the Contribution Guide, only to make those statements in the forum.

As I said before, importing IMDb data was a common practice back then.  So much so that there was even a tool for it, DVDProfilercast, that was freely discussed in the forums back in 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004.

I am willing to entertain the idea that I am misremembering, but I am not going to say I am wrong without some proof.