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Invelos = Terrible support
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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Would buying each participating member of the National Debate Tournament a copy of DVD Profiler and a link to the forums help things?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarklyNoon
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Would buying each participating member of the National Debate Tournament a copy of DVD Profiler and a link to the forums help things?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsamuelrichardscott
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Quoting Mark Harrison:
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It's true, Invelos = Terrible Support.

Here's some others:

Invelos = Fantastic products
Invelos = 7 letter word
Invelos = Security in the event of theft / fire
Invelos = Fun Hobby
Invelos = Lack of manpower to do everything the users want


I do agree with your positives here Mark 100%. Contrary to what some may think, I 100% DO believe the product is awesome and thats thanks to users and contributors as much as it is Ken/Gerri.

BUT... it looks like the thread started by Ken to 'silence' this one has had no action taken (hence my bump of this thread though I will happily shut up if Ken chimes in with regards to it).

Also, the old 'well Ken posted in a thread 27 months ago that this was the case' crap is still being used. FFS man, just update the guidelines when you make these posts. HELP US HELP THE DATABASE.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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<sigh>
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
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Also, the old 'well Ken posted in a thread 27 months ago that this was the case' crap is still being used. FFS man, just update the guidelines when you make these posts. HELP US HELP THE DATABASE.


Why should Ken care about the database?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantBlair
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Why should Ken care about the database?

Because it's made from pure sugar and everybody likes sugar


I can understand if Ken is possibly tired of dealing with issues after all of these years. There aren't many websites or projects (even my own) that I have hung with for as long as Profiler has been around (and none of them as intensely as I did the initial years). If Ken has reached a point where he only wants to play a passive role in the forums/database sticking only with programming, that's his choice. But it doesn't have to be a bad thing so long as we are willing to agree on taking action rather than sitting around waiting for approval on every little thing.


Consider this: we have a Rules Committee forum for a reason (though I never joined, so I don't know the full workings going on in there) as well as the guidelines already constantly being discussed and interpreted as best we can in Ken's absence. If members are doing all of the work without any reactions or answers from above (even when Ken might disagree with the choices made by us), then basically we are the ones making the rules.

If we are clarifying the rules ourselves based on his original guidelines, then we shouldn't be so focused on him chiming in every time that a question arises. Discuss it, poll it, accept the consensus (since 100% agreement is near impossible to accomplish), set it in stone (such as on a website with links back to the original discussions as proof of consensus), and voila we have the new/more refined rules that we have been asking for. When Ken appears, if he chooses he can change any of these new rules/adjustments as he sees fit, but by our acting on this, we become the "support" that we so desperately need.

The only issue beyond that would be centralizing the new guidelines and then -- the most difficult part -- making these revised guidelines noticeable by the general population.
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I can understand if Ken is possibly tired of dealing with issues after all of these years. There aren't many websites or projects (even my own) that I have hung with for as long as Profiler has been around (and none of them as intensely as I did the initial years). If Ken has reached a point where he only wants to play a passive role in the forums/database sticking only with programming, that's his choice. But it doesn't have to be a bad thing so long as we are willing to agree on taking action rather than sitting around waiting for approval on every little thing.

Keep in mind though that the last time we heard, this is not his hobby project, but he makes a living out of it. Therefore support to some degree may be expected from his customer base.
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If we are clarifying the rules ourselves based on his original guidelines, then we shouldn't be so focused on him chiming in every time that a question arises. Discuss it, poll it, accept the consensus (since 100% agreement is near impossible to accomplish), set it in stone (such as on a website with links back to the original discussions as proof of consensus), and voila we have the new/more refined rules that we have been asking for. When Ken appears, if he chooses he can change any of these new rules/adjustments as he sees fit, but by our acting on this, we become the "support" that we so desperately need.

As of today we have no authorization to clarify the rules in any binding way. We can discuss and explain our interpretation of the rules. We can do polls as long as we like. Only the written rules and Invelos' statements are binding.

And in order to make the live easier for the screeners, Invelos should have every interest in clarifying the rules themselves.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarklyNoon
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Is it just me or hasn't KEN made any post in these forums for weeks and weeks ?

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It's not you. Thge bigger issue as I see it, the same people that started it keep it bumping it up. If they aren't satisfied or happy then they should just move on IMHO.
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Yes, we should accept that Ken doesn't care about those users who want to help add to the database, a major selling point for the tool.
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I gave up caring, long ago! 
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Yes, we should accept that Ken doesn't care about those users who want to help add to the database, a major selling point for the tool.


Hey, when a person knowingly contributes incorrect data to the database and is still allowed to be part of the community, that there is proof positive that Ken cares neither about the integrity of the database or the community involved in building that database.

I don't know, I'm pretty sure if someone came to my house and took a massive dump on the floor and pointed at me and laughed, I would probably ask them to leave. That's just me though.

But, hey, it's always been that way so it's okay. You'll eventually get used to the complete lack of (promised) interaction. 
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Ken primarily cares about money I would think. After all he probably didn't create Profiler just to nice to us OCD DVD collectors.

He wants to make money and I would think he's achieved that goal.

Also, with the whole one-time-fee thing he never has to meet the exacting standards of users. After all, it's not like we can demand a refund.

Since I bought my registration the program has improved hugely, to the point where is barely recognisable as the same program.....BUT....had it stayed exactly the same I would have been happy. I paid for that old version and that's what I got. Everything that has happened to the program since is just gravy.

Don't get me wrong I'd like to take a cattle prod to Ken's privates and get him to interact more, change the rules, update this and that and generally meet all the demands of his users....but I'd also like to win the lottery and we all know the odds of that happening.
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I gave up caring, long ago! 

You aren't the only one.
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I gave up caring, long ago! 

You aren't the only one.

I'm pretty much in the same place.
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Is it just me or hasn't KEN made any post in these forums for weeks and weeks ?

Donnie

Weeks and weeks, no.  Almost two weeks, yes.
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