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A) all I said was that it was good to be civl and that I would re-visit my votes

B) I did not vote No to all of your contributions, only 3.

youn said that in a far more sarcastic way and I meant all the contributions that you have in your collection of course.

Sorry if this was not clear.

Donnie

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Funny thing is, that bob9000 is on his personal agenda right now and changes all YES votes to NO votes, because of a false conclusion that Ace Of Stevens made.

I realize there are two encodes of The Descent. I have the AVC version, which is the original. Is that what you have? I didn't make any false conclusions. I only said that you show surround and I don't. I wasn't saying you were wrong, only that people shouldn't remove surround info from discs based on BD Info Pro unless they are sure they can see surround info in the first place. If people have established they can see surround info, they can change it to whatever they see.

This was no attack vs you Ace, this was a "shake head at disbelief" at that bob guy, who immediately changed all votes to NO after your one post about "The Descent", he changed the votes to all titles and directed to your post with a comment, "beware, that program can't be trusted". I would bet a fortune , that this bob guy do not even have that program installed himself, otherwise he could have checked that all my contributions are correct. I just cannot deal with stupidity and ignorance

And yes ,Ace, I have the new encode of The Descent.
That is prolly the reason, that BDInfo gives different results to your Blu-ray.

cheers
Donnie

Well, since we track the Original release's data and not re-releases, then people voting no on Descent are within their rights, as it appears that the audio format has changed since the first release.

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Well, since we track the Original release's data and not re-releases, then people voting no on Descent are within their rights, as it appears that the audio format has changed since the first release.

I don't think we can conclude that at all. We can only conclude that BDInfo Pro doesn't work correctly on my computer for some reason. Copy protection is one hypothesis. There are other possibilities. I aalso checked Alexander Revisited, which wasn't re-issued and I can't see the surround tracks there, either.

ACE,

it is definitely the copy protection, I did a huge test yesterday night, and nearly all disks had missing info if the copy protection was still enabled.
So the only way to get the BDInfo Tool 0.53 to work is to have a program like ANy DVD HD running that removes the copy protection.

As far as I know Katatonia and Taro do it the same way.

cheers
Donnie

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Well, since we track the Original release's data and not re-releases, then people voting no on Descent are within their rights, as it appears that the audio format has changed since the first release.

You are definitely correct with the release of The Descent, I will remove that contribution and keep the in fo local.
But for all other Blu-ray's the Surround changes are correct and valuable info , as those are not re-releases.

cheers
Donnie

As far as I can tell the contributions that you have submitted, that I can vote one the changes are correct. I double checked the CHUCK Season 1 and 2 contributions on my system and they matched, so I voted yes.

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Where are people who are claiming audio data changed on Descent getting their info? I see no evidence of this. I only said I couldn't see the surround info, but I can't see it on any discs.

Katatonia posted here in this thread, he also has the first release and has no Surround audio

Donnie

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But I also said that the BD Info Tool gives awarning about copy protection, but as I own Any DVD HD, this is no issue.

But I have checked 5 Blu-rays now without Any DVD HD running and the results regarding Surround or Stereo are exactly the same, so it does not matter if someone has ANy DVd HD running.

I've checked my last 5 Blu-rays, every one was copy protected. So BDInfo didn't function correctly = didn't show detailed descriptions.

In my opinion it very well matters if AnyDVD (or similar software for bypassing the copyright protection) is installed.

If you would read a few posts down what I wrote, there I corrected myself that with most Blu-Rays it only works when copy protection is removed

Donnie

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Katatonia posted here in this thread, he also has the first release and has no Surround audio

Donnie

Ahh. i read that before the edit.

To Katatonia: Have you established that you are able to see surround tracks on other Blu-rays?

To answer in his name, (of course he can answer too himself when he reads this), he did, as he contributed some

Donnie

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But I have checked 5 Blu-rays now without Any DVD HD running and the results regarding Surround or Stereo are exactly the same, so it does not matter if someone has ANy DVd HD running.

I've checked my last 5 Blu-rays, every one was copy protected.

In my opinion it very well matters if AnyDVD (or similar software for bypassing the copyright protection) is installed.

If you would read a few posts down what I wrote, there I corrected myself that with most Blu-Rays it only works when copy protection is removed

I've read it, I just wondered about the coincidence that although most Blu-rays are copy protected you picked five in a row which weren't.

I see no reason why a software shouldn't be able to check the DS flag in a DD 2.0 stream.

So thank you very much for starting the topic.

But yet one question: as I understand it the Dolby Surround flag can be set wrongly, meaning the flag is set while no additional information is coded into the audio stream, or vice versa.

If this is true, is it enough then to capture the flag?