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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
So it is obvious that contributions are forbidden to non english speaking users, and that works fine. Is that what I said? Don't think it is...but thanks for trying to twist it to seem like that is what I said.  Non-english speakers are more than welcome to make contributions...their notes just have to be in english. Gerri handles most, if not all, of the contributions and she only speaks english. That means, for her to understand what is being submitted, the notes must be in english. There is no way around that. As has been pointed out, there are quite a few FREE online translation sites that can be used to enter contribution notes. Are they perfect? No, but they will get the job done. Quote:
In the past, first contributions where accepted without notes, and there were plenty. Now, there are many DVDs that are not in the database. When a potential new user, testing the program, realizes that he has to complete himself each profile, he might be less interested to buy it. Yes, that is how it was in the past, but it isn't that way now. For whatever reason, and I have my suspicions, Ken chose to change it. This is his program and that is his right. I am sorry that you don't like it, but it is what it is and constantly whining about it isn't going to change anything. Quote:
What I say is for the international success of this program. I really think that members of the C.R.S don't help Ken to sell dvdprofiler, except if Ken thinks that only American money is interesting for him... I have no idea what the C.R.S. is, but only Ken knows what is interesting for him. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus Quote:
Yes, that is how it was in the past, but it isn't that way now. For whatever reason, and I have my suspicions, Ken chose to change it. This is his program and that is his right. I am sorry that you don't like it, but it is what it is and constantly whining about it I never said I do not like it and I feel totally zen about that. I just give my analysis of a situation, with facts. Funny to see that for some users here, when you give an opinion which doesn't match theirs', you "whine"... It is much like "think as me or shut up". You always explain how users should behave, and I speak of the results of their real behaviour, as I can see it in the online database (I know that we do not look at the same part of the database. You look at Region 1, and I look at region 2 french, and I always said that things are not the same everywhere). We both agree that it is necessary to speak english to understand rules , and necessary to write contribution notes in english so Gerri can read them. That is why I wrote that in fact contributions are forbidden to non english speaking users. If you think, on the contrary, this makes it easy for non english speaking users, that is your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I never said I do not like it and I feel totally zen about that. I just give my analysis of a situation, with facts. Funny to see that for some users here, when you give an opinion which doesn't match theirs', you "whine"... It is much like "think as me or shut up". Funny, there are a lot of people on here that don't share my opinion yet they don't get accused of whinning. Maybe it is the fact that you share this opinion, every single chance you get, that makes it whining? There are a lot of things I don't like about the rules. You don't know what they are because I don't whine about them constantly. I deal with them and move on. Quote:
You always explain how users should behave, and I speak of the results of their real behaviour, as I can see it in the online database (I know that we do not look at the same part of the database. You look at Region 1, and I look at region 2 french, and I always said that things are not the same everywhere). No, you make assumptions based on your own bias. You can't know the real reason why every French user, that has chosen not to contribute, made that choice. Quote:
We both agree that it is necessary to speak english to understand rules , and necessary to write contribution notes in english so Gerri can read them. That is why I wrote that in fact contributions are forbidden to non english speaking users. If you think, on the contrary, this makes it easy for non english speaking users, that is your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree. But it isn't a fact, it is your opinion. There are ways that non-english speakers can contribute so it is, in fact, not forbidden. Is it difficult? Yes, but that is the chance you take when you buy a program written in a language you don't understand. To say it is forbidden, is to misrepresent the truth or not understand the word. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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I never said I do not like it and I feel totally zen about that. I just give my analysis of a situation, with facts. Funny to see that for some users here, when you give an opinion which doesn't match theirs', you "whine"... It is much like "think as me or shut up".
Funny, there are a lot of people on here that don't share my opinion yet they don't get accused of whinning. Maybe it is the fact that you share this opinion, every single chance you get, that makes it whining? There are a lot of things I don't like about the rules. You don't know what they are because I don't whine about them constantly. I deal with them and move on.
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You always explain how users should behave, and I speak of the results of their real behaviour, as I can see it in the online database (I know that we do not look at the same part of the database. You look at Region 1, and I look at region 2 french, and I always said that things are not the same everywhere).
No, you make assumptions based on your own bias. You can't know the real reason why every French user, that has chosen not to contribute, made that choice.
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We both agree that it is necessary to speak english to understand rules , and necessary to write contribution notes in english so Gerri can read them. That is why I wrote that in fact contributions are forbidden to non english speaking users. If you think, on the contrary, this makes it easy for non english speaking users, that is your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree.
But it isn't a fact, it is your opinion. There are ways that non-english speakers can contribute so it is, in fact, not forbidden. Is it difficult? Yes, but that is the chance you take when you buy a program written in a language you don't understand. To say it is forbidden, is to misrepresent the truth or not understand the word. OK, your view is 100% right, mine 100% wrong. Happy ? | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You know, surfeur, you COULD CHOOSE to become a force for improvement by setting an example for others lie yourself. but as always this is about nothing moire than you want Profiler to function in YOUR image and if it won't, you will rant, rave, moan whine and make any commets that you can that you think might help you achieve your goal., apparently without realizing that what you are actually achieving is precisely the opposite. So, you want France to be all alone, fine.<shrugs> Set up a France Online, if you can get Ken's permission to do so, and then you can do whatever you wish, God knows none of us would begin to try and tell you what to do on such a site, even though you believe you can dictate here.
You would probably spare yourself both heartburn and heartache and may even do something useful for your fellow countrymen.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting surfeur51:
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I never said I do not like it and I feel totally zen about that. I just give my analysis of a situation, with facts. Funny to see that for some users here, when you give an opinion which doesn't match theirs', you "whine"... It is much like "think as me or shut up".
Funny, there are a lot of people on here that don't share my opinion yet they don't get accused of whinning. Maybe it is the fact that you share this opinion, every single chance you get, that makes it whining? There are a lot of things I don't like about the rules. You don't know what they are because I don't whine about them constantly. I deal with them and move on.
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You always explain how users should behave, and I speak of the results of their real behaviour, as I can see it in the online database (I know that we do not look at the same part of the database. You look at Region 1, and I look at region 2 french, and I always said that things are not the same everywhere).
No, you make assumptions based on your own bias. You can't know the real reason why every French user, that has chosen not to contribute, made that choice.
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We both agree that it is necessary to speak english to understand rules , and necessary to write contribution notes in english so Gerri can read them. That is why I wrote that in fact contributions are forbidden to non english speaking users. If you think, on the contrary, this makes it easy for non english speaking users, that is your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree.
But it isn't a fact, it is your opinion. There are ways that non-english speakers can contribute so it is, in fact, not forbidden. Is it difficult? Yes, but that is the chance you take when you buy a program written in a language you don't understand. To say it is forbidden, is to misrepresent the truth or not understand the word.
OK, your view is 100% right, mine 100% wrong. Happy ? We already knew that.  Simply could not resist such an easy poke in the ribs, you set 'em up, I knocked 'em down. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the truth is that most users are too lazy to write long or short contribution notes no matter if they understand the English language or not. And most of them just want to use the program and will keep any changes they made, which may or may not follow the rules, for theirselves. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
I think the truth is that most users are too lazy to write long or short contribution notes no matter if they understand the English language or not. And most of them just want to use the program and will keep any changes they made, which may or may not follow the rules, for theirselves. Martin, I agree that you must be right for some users. But when you read threads like this one, when a user writes "I hate to just sit around and let others do all the work and me reap the benefits of it all. I prefer to contribute but hate over-zealous finicky people who just have to show their authority.", it is difficult to refuse the fact that there is a problem with the contribution system... language, rules, errors of scrutineers, bullying of newcomers, "accept or shut up" attitude from many users, all is done to make people fly away. Another example : Quoting (Private message): Quote:
After my most recent contribution decline, I've decided I'm done with contributing. The system is entirely too flawed to make it worth my time. Which kind of irks me since being a prior DVDSpot contributor and editor, I liked providing data for other people. Hopefully the rules will become more realistic in the future.
Thanks again for the links, much appreciated. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | |  I have a different view, we have a set of Rules which are NOT at all hard to follow. Unlike what you hear surfeur, i hear a user who like yourself is not interested in following the Rules. To which my reply is his decision not to Contribute is precisely the correct thing to do. I don't view it negatively at all, quite the contrary I think the user is being positive, he made his comment and dropped it...unlike yourself, who just goes on and on and on. Like i said my friend, ALL you are achieving is exactly the opposite what you want. I wish I knew how to help you understand. The problem is that I think you DO understand, you are just mad that we won't do it YOUR way. Literally in case you haven't noticed ther are a lot of users who simply don't want to hear it anymore, you have been crying about this for months now and i have little doubt that you will continue...though i keep hoping that you will wake up and understand that Profiler's way is no more correct than YOUR way, BUT it is Profiler's way that we follow not YOURS. I honestly do think your best bet is to ask ken if can set up a French Online database, then you and your fellow countrymen can knock yourselves out . Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: August 3, 2007 | | Posts: 36 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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All it takes is a simple comment somewhere - even on the contribution page itself - saying that the notes must be in english. That's not too much to ask is it?
No, and I never said it was, but this notion that it shouldn't be obvious...to me at least...just doesn't wash.
But that's just me. To me, it wasn't obvious and I'm fluent in English. I was just under the impression, the system was mostly automated and contribution notes were for people who would vote on that specific contribution, i.e. people from the same locality as the DVD edition. I still haven't wrapped my head around the concept that Gerri screens EVERY SINGLE contribution that is sent. It is mind boggling ! | | | | Last edited: by Blackflush |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Blackflush: Quote:
I still haven't wrapped my head around the concept that Gerri screens EVERY SINGLE contribution that is sent. It is mind boggling ! In fact, I think (and I hope for Gerri, though I've no more information than other users here), that there is an automated system that analyses contribution notes, and refuses them each time it find some keywords as IMDb, DVDshrink... That would be why we can see this kind of problem . And perhaps Gerri have a second viewing on some of them. Or Gerri really screens everything and she has forbidden Ken to release next version as she is far too happy that we cannot contribute with 3.5 beta.   | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
|   | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Blackflush:
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I still haven't wrapped my head around the concept that Gerri screens EVERY SINGLE contribution that is sent. It is mind boggling !
In fact, I think (and I hope for Gerri, though I've no more information than other users here), that there is an automated system that analyses contribution notes, and refuses them each time it find some keywords as IMDb, DVDshrink... That would be why we can see this kind of problem . And perhaps Gerri have a second viewing on some of them.
Or Gerri really screens everything and she has forbidden Ken to release next version as she is far too happy that we cannot contribute with 3.5 beta. This is just plain wrong Surfer. Ken has stated on several occasions (one fairly recent as well) that there is no automated screening process. I can't remember which thread he mentioned it in, but I'm sure someone can point you in that direction if you ask them nicely. Edit; Found the post I was thinking about: No automated declinesHere is another indication from Gerri. | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! | | | | Last edited: by Berak |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rooster6975: Quote:
The question is, do you want me to complete the "Canada (Quebec)" profile as well ? I can easily modify that profile and change it's locality, but then a profile for "Canada (Quebec)" will disappear. Or I can copy/paste from my correct "Canada" DVD so that there are two identical profiles up on DVDP with the only difference being one has "Canada" as the locality and the other has "Canada (Quebec)". If I remember rightly the Canada (Quebec) locality was set up for those DVDs where the cover and disc are in both French and English. The english-speakers would have the english text on the Canada locality and the french speakers would have the french text on the Canada (Quebec) locality. So if this copy of V for Vendetta is in both languages (either 2 overviews on the back or in some cases a reversible cover), then yes please submit a profile under both localities. Just put all the english text on the Canada profile and all the french text on the Canada (Quebec) profile. Edit: just to make it clear, as from your post I'm not sure you're aware: if you download a profile from the online and then change either the UPC or the locality, this breaks the connection to the online and in a sense you've created a new profile. This new profile may or may not link to a different existing online profile, but any subsequent changes will not affect the original downloaded profile. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Edit: just to make it clear, as from your post I'm not sure you're aware: if you download a profile from the online and then change either the UPC or the locality, this breaks the connection to the online and in a sense you've created a new profile. This new profile may or may not link to a different existing online profile, but any subsequent changes will not affect the original downloaded profile. This is what I've been trying to say too ..  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rooster6975: Quote:
So my conclusion is that the V for Vendetta listed as "Canada (Quebec)" is identical to the one I purchased, and thus is a duplicate entry in DVDP. It should be deleted in favour of the one with the locality "Canada" which has all the info. If there was one released for the locality "Canada (Quebec)" it would certainly have "V pour Vendetta" as the only title, or barring that, at least have it as the larger of the two titles with "V for Vendetta" much smaller and likely in parenthesis.
Conclusion : It's a dupe and needs to be deleted.
DD. Does your "V for Vendetta" has a reversible cover printed on both sides? These are usually the dvds that will need to be submitted with both Canada and Canada (Quebec) profiles. If not, then there no need to submit a new Canada (quebec) profile. You can, however, change the title of the wrong profile to "*** Please Delete this profile ***" and write in your notes the reason for removing this profile. Such as this UPC is for a Canada only release and doesn't exist in the USA locality. |
| | Registered: May 27, 2007 | | Posts: 175 |
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Does your "V for Vendetta" has a reversible cover printed on both sides?
These are usually the dvds that will need to be submitted with both Canada and Canada (Quebec) profiles. No. I have some of these DVDs, but this is not one of them. |
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