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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting pdf256:
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The ONLY thin I can think of, is go study IMDb where they allow their users to run rampant and adhere to whatever each user(or region) wants to do and look closely at their mess. Accurate data according to what SINGLE yardstick I have never figured out, they seem have many different yardsticks. I provided ONE single yardstick, and I have said repeatedly it is not about ANY culture it is about the credits On Screen, that IS the culture that decides what we enter not some mysterious hocus pocus. Type what you see, not what you hallucinate into existence.
Can you tell my frustration level is building.
Skip
Skip you claim over and over that "it is not about ANY culture it is about the credits On Screen", but the funny shapes on the screen need culture to turn them into meaning! You say that "JOE", "JOe", "Joe" and "joe" all mean the same thing, but we need rules (from our culture) to know that. From a pure ASCII code standpoint "J" is not equal to "j", let alone "E", "e", "é" and "è". We need rules to know if they are the same or not.
I have films in my collection in more then twenty languages, each with its our rules about upper and lower case. Many of them use the same rules that we use in US English, but many do not.
This whole thing is not about you or your database, it is about us and our database (as controlled and hosted by the Coles and Invelos). We need rules that work for all of us and our DVDs.
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What an insane comment? I am totally speechless. If you pay attention the system as designed will work for EVERY user in every culture EVERYWHERE. But as is typical for Paul, he absolutely, and you dare not comprehend or even show the slightest degree of agreement.. You are unbelievable. It is the argument that you support that make the database valueless and workable for some but NOT for EVERYONE.
Skip  Roll your eyes all you want Skip! For some one who is "totally speechless" it did not take you long to post again in this topic. Could you take time out of your busy day to he me decode this: "But as is typical for Paul, he absolutely, and you dare not comprehend or even show the slightest degree of agreement.". I got lost somewhere in there. You will have to forgive me, English is my first language. pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
That still leaves you with the problem even in France you find people where FRANCOIS = Francois (First Name or Last Name) you can't realy stick a linguistic rule to the name convention for one reason or another. At no time have I ever indicated that we convert all FRANCOIS into François. I'm sure there will be times when Francois is perfectly valid. All the rules tell us to do is, if you do know that it should be François then you enter that, otherwise you don't. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You still have not answered at least an implied question, north. You are perfectly willing to break the foundation of the entire system as it was designed. I have posted a compromise that does not breAK that foundation. As near as I can figure out the reason is that simply that you WANT to break the foundation the Rules were built on. What is wrong with using the CA system for it, Gerri can just easily modify that Rule as do it the way you want and create a mess. In other words why are you not interested in a compromise that gives you what you want.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You are perfectly willing to break the foundation of the entire system as it was designed. Please explain how following the rules according to Gerri's clarification breaks the foundation of the entire system. Ken designed the database, he would know best what damages it or not. Your "compromise" entails using the credited as system for something Ken didn't want it used for. I am happy to follow whatever system Invelos tell us to follow. You're the one who won't accept Gerri's decision and keep voting according to your own rules, not theirs. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not trying to deny you or any other user the abiulity to do what you want, north. But you seem far more interested in just being argumentative and combative. And I frankly don't understand it or why, you aren't the only one BTW.
You try to tell me that either i don't KNOW what the intent was or that I have no right to explain it, which is pure bunk. I have offered a compromise which provides for exactly what you want, The response is in essence I don't want to break THAT Rule, I want to break this one, and further I don't care what you have to say and if I cannot defeat your logic, which you haven't, I will get nasty.
So please I am willing to listen, but talk to me not at me.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have explained it repeatedly, North and as I said I am out of ideas to explain it, And yes I absolutely PRAY that gerri will reverse her decision and simply make use of the CA system for this data. You may not be able to see it and I wish I could figure out how to explain it to you, I have tried.
BTW thank you that last post was the closest thing to reason I have seen lately.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
The response is in essence I don't want to break THAT Rule, I want to break this one Please tell me which rule I'm breaking or want to break? My change to The Name of the Rose profile follows the rules exactly how Gerri clarified them. YOU want me to break the rules and use the credited as system in a way we've been told not to by Ken. I'm sorry you can talk all you want about intent, and for the record I have never questioned your knowledge of the intention of the rules. But we don't work from your intentions, we work from what was written. And if you intended us to follow US standard capitalisation rules, sorry, you never wrote that. There are numerous users out there who never come to the forums - how are they supposed to know what your intentions were? You are taking this all far too personally. Yes, the rules were your idea but guess what, that means nothing when it comes to following them. I'm sorry but that's the blunt truth. It's Invelos' database, and it's up to them to change the rules to suit how they want the data entered. And if you've explained how this will damage the database repeatedly, you'll have no problems providing links so I can read them again. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | We also don't work from YOUR interpretations.
I have had enough of this round and round the mulberry bush. All I can do is pray that Gerri will reverse this before it becomes a catastrophe anbd just use the CA system for the data.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
SPANISH
no changes I did some research on capitalized Spanish names and I found them with accents and without them. These letters are: A = a, á E = e, é I = i, í N = n, ñ O = o, ó U = u, ú, ü | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 404 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I have explained it repeatedly, North and as I said I am out of ideas to explain it, And yes I absolutely PRAY that gerri will reverse her decision and simply make use of the CA system for this data. You may not be able to see it and I wish I could figure out how to explain it to you, I have tried.
BTW thank you that last post was the closest thing to reason I have seen lately.
Skip Isn't it amazing that he still hasn't figured out what the Credit As system is for? Maybe Ken or Geri could sit him down and explain it to him then we could finally move on. | | | The Other DVD Forum
Why do people who know the least know it the loudest? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quite correct, Martin. Not all that dissimilar from French or MOST other languages. In short, deal with what you see ON SCREEN, nothing more. Use CA f +documentation for anything else. One cannot assume that Jose=José or any other such name.
The ONLY data we have is that data that appears on the screen credit and THAT is what we should use, nothing more or less. Anything leads to, well you know my thoughts on this.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | |  Please take note that EVERY upper case character has a corresponding LOWER case character. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let's see. What do the actual Rules tell us about using the "Credited As" field: Quoting the Rules: Quote:
Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name.
To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool. I don't see anything there about using it for accents/diacriticals. If "Credited As" is to be used in a profile, the "Name" field is determined by the CLT (the most commonly occurring version of the person's name), so that is determined by what exists in the main database. The "Credited As" field is determined by the actual credits in the film (after applying the capitalization rules of the country of origin of the actor/actress according to Gerri's latest clarification). I really don't see how CA can be manipulated to solve this issue, which doesn't need solving now that Gerri has clarified the Rules. And last I checked, Gerri and/or Ken's clarifications and/or changes to the Rules trump any "intent", real or perceived, that might have existed in the mind of any individual user involved in the writing of these Rules over three years ago. This program is evolving, as are the Rules that govern it. 3-year-old "intent" is meaningless when we have current clarification from the folks that actually own the application. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Please take note that EVERY upper case character has a corresponding LOWER case character.
Skip Well, if we could just get all film makers to use the ascii character set when doing their credits, we'd be all set, wouldn't we? | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
I did some research on capitalized Spanish names and I found them with accents and without them.
These letters are:
A = a, á
E = e, é
I = i, í
N = n, ñ
O = o, ó
U = u, ú, ü I'm not so sure about this one, Martin. The accented characters in Spanish all have a corresponding accented uppercase character. In the case of the French characters they didn't until recently have or use the corresponding uppercase character. I'd like to see more evidence that those Spanish names you looked at weren't just typed wrong and that this is/was a practice that the Spanish language follows. Edit: this is a comment I found in the other thread about this: "In most of these countries Spanish is the official language => spanish capitalization rules => convert Ñ to ñ and N to n." | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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