Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1... 4 5 6  Previous   Next
"Illustrated by" valid for Original Material?
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
came:

You are missing the point of what Martin said basically. It ALL depends on how the credit is for the film. Under most of what I have seen, for example, on the fantastic Four. "Based on the Marvel Comic Book by Stan Lee  and Jack Kirby". That kirby drew the comic is not relevant, it is NOT what the CREDIT says. He is co-credited along with Stan Lee, this would be an OCB credit, but the concept remains the same. People are getting all wrapped up bringing in extraneous information from elsewhere which the rules do not tell us to do. The credit in question says ILLUSTRATED by and we don't have an accomodation for that at this time, all the research in the world is not relevant, it is what the credit says. Just as it is irrelevant that you, I and the rest of the world knows that Jack Kirby drew the FF, that is NOT how the Credit reads he therefore gets the appropriate credit.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantantolod
Since Dec 02, 2003
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 940
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I will just jump in here since nobody else has bothered to mention that the category WRITING is dealing with the the writing of the film, not the writing (or otherwise) of the original material on which the film is based. Most of the arguments seem to be suggesting that if the material is not written, then it does not deserve the OMB credit. Nowhere in the rules is there a specification that the work upon which a film is based must be written. If the writer of a film bases his idea on the Mona Lisa, and the film credits say "Based on the Mona Lisa by Leonardo Da Vinci", then IMO, Da Vinci would get an OMB credit.

Since, in this particular instance, the film makers decided to include the illustrator in the credits with the author of the book, who are we to decide that the film makers are wrong?
Kevin
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting hal9g:
Quote:
Please let us have open credits, Ken. 

No, please, do not.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I forgot to mention that I agree with hal on some form of Open Credits, perhaps not fully open. I don't know about you guys, i tired of this nonsense long ago and the only way to end it is via open credits. Else we will always be arguing over the latest oddity that has been discovered with a lot of spinning to justify it, instead of just following the rules.

Which while i am at it this thread is also a perfect example of what I have said before. I have never had any problem deciphering credits with the literally thousands of Profiles I have dealt with. I see "Illustrated by" and while that might be an interesting piece of data to me personally I also recognize that it is not covered within the Rules, therefore it presents no problem for me. I can list it locally if i wish, I cannot Contribute it. <shrugs>

In this particular case IF we had Open Credits just in Writing for example, this example could then be easily handled, see it...list it...done. Iunderstand your concerns Rho and I am no more inteersted in concept of COMPLETE credit lists due to open credits than you, the thought gives me nightmares. But IF we had some limited form of Open Credit within the specific categories and possibly a few more since there are other categories that users would like to have. This does have its own share of problems that need to worked out but...that's another story.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
 Last edited: by Winston Smith
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorJykke
Registered: March 13, 2007
Finland Posts: 413
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting antolod:
Quote:
I will just jump in here since nobody else has bothered to mention that the category WRITING is dealing with the the writing of the film, not the writing (or otherwise) of the original material on which the film is based.


Good point!

How about if the on-screen credit says "Based on an original idea by XX". If we stick to the "imaginary" rule that the original material must be a written work of art, then we should not credit XX for his idea. We can't know that the idea was ever written down. Of course ideas can be described with words and we can write down those words. But.. we can also describe illustrations with words...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Jykke:

That sounds more like an OCB type of credit. But maybe, not, haven't run into it yet.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
No, I iz no Cheshire Cat!
Registered: August 22, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Posts: 1,807
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:

(...)

we have a listing of SPECIFIC credit types that we are looking for.

(...)


Actually, for OMB, we don't...which is why this discussion came up. 

Actually we DO, check the program and I don't see how you can shoehorn Illustrated into Book, poem, song, etc. The category is CALLED WRITING, it is NOT called drawing , art, pretty pictures or anything else, WRITING. Words have meaning and Writing does NOT equal Drawing.

[...]

The category is called WRITING but it expressly includes "comic adaptations and sequels.", in the Notes for OCB.
-- Enry
 Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
That does not mean necessarily artwork, Enry, keep trying to water down the data down to meaningless. Most comic books are written AND drawn, the secret is how Hollywood handles the credit, not what you think it is.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Here's an example of the kinds of things I have run inot that unlike many of you, cause me no heartburn at all.

I happen to be working some CLASSIC animation
I will see Produced by on some, and an xxx Production on others. We can on only accomodate Produced by; an xxx Production COULD indicate that while xxx was responsible for the Cartoon, it was HIS studio after all, but the daya to day Production responsibility might have fallen to soem uncredited person. I don't worry about it, I simply go where the Rules say.

If you are familiar with Classic animation you probably know that credits can be sketchy at best. In the early days, Directors were referred to as Supervisors or Supervision by, so what, at this time we don't accomodate that credit. So again no heartburn I do what the Rules say, I can always include the data locally if I deem it important, or i can wait for something in the future. Preferrably some form of Open Credits.

It really isn't hard gang. UNLESS you want it to be.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBad Father
Registered: July 23, 2001
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 4,596
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
It really isn't hard gang. UNLESS you want it to be.

Skip


She prefers it har...ohhh...that's something else...sorry  
My WebGenDVD online Collection
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
You are sooooo bad. 

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1... 4 5 6  Previous   Next