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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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To judge people based on how they deal with the rules in a DVD forum, to me, is just stupid.
I do not judge people, I'm even sure that they have common sense in "real" life . When you say things like you did in the post I quoted, it implies that you believe people that feel differently have no common sense. If you say that isn't what you meant, I will take you at your word. I am simply telling you how it comes across. Quote:
But what I find amazing, it is the religious zeal they have to follow the rules litterally, advocating what they would find stupid in "normal" life (retyping spelling mistakes for instance, or putting hyphens in the middle of a word). As the rules cannot cope with all cases, I just say that in few cases, it would be correct to use common sense. Some people here don't want that, which I hardly understand, and fortunately, when Ken and Gerri recently precised some points of the rules, it was always in the sense of "common sense"... The problem with your point of view is that common sense isn't common. What you consider to be common sense, may not be common sense to someone else. That is why I advocate following the rules as written. I do agree with you on one point. In the few cases where the rules are not clear, we should use our common sense...the recent FRANCOIS debate comes to mind. But in areas where the rules are clear, as they are with overviews, I cannot advocate it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | surfeur: Just because you don't agree with a rule doesn't mean it's wrong. | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Martin:
I don't know that this is really that BIG an issue. Understanding that the Rules cannot cover every eventuality, for one. And the more holes we plug the more we open. Out of 300,000 titles what are talking about something less than probably a couple of hundred titles tops. So it may best to simply hammer it out here on a case by case basis. <shrugs>
Skip I agree here. We are approaching 355,000 titles in the database. So far the titles with messed up covers that people have mentioned amount to about 10 I think. If you find another 90 of these titles, I still say that these types of cases are rare. So I really don't think this issue is that big a deal at all. Personally I think there are people who don't like the 'take title from the cover rule' and are just using this as an excuse to have the rule changed. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
surfeur: Just because you don't agree with a rule doesn't mean it's wrong. What means wrong about a rule that apply to a group that is willing to use them ? I never said rules were wrong, I said they have points that are against common sense : retyping spelling mistakes in overviews seems, for me, something not appropriate. In our world where people are now unable to write correctly ( at work I see some letters written by engineers that are full of horrible mistakes, I don't think it's good for anybody, first for them...), I personally think nobody should impose such a rule, and I exlude myself of such a play. But if people love spelling mistakes, OK,... good for them... nothing wrong... but no common sense... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bodi: Quote:
I agree here. We are approaching 355,000 titles in the database. So far the titles with messed up covers that people have mentioned amount to about 10 I think. If you find another 90 of these titles, I still say that these types of cases are rare. So I really don't think this issue is that big a deal at all. Personally I think there are people who don't like the 'take title from the cover rule' and are just using this as an excuse to have the rule changed. I agree with that. I also think that pingpongers that are frustated not to be able to add their name in a contribution list are searching all the interpretations of rules that will allow them to contribute. That is why I think we should change the contribution system... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Surfeur: They may be against YOUR common sense, that does not mean they are against Common Sense. Common sense is not a universal standard, it varies depending upon the individual. You know DVDProfiler is used in a lot of countries in the world and we ALL follow the same set of Rules. Although the French (I presume you are the self-appointed spokesman) seem to want not wantbto follow the Rules. not only do you not wish to follow them, you think YOURS is the only answer and you drone on and on and on. I suggest, my friend that you get over it and join the rest of us in the following or...I won't say it. You don't, won't or simply refuse to understand the typo question. Join us or...whatever. I am too polite to say it. Surfeur is not Napoleon , the Emperor of France and in his mind the world. We have Rules, if you don't like them don't participate, if you want to participate then follow them.  Skip P.S. Your version of Common Sense makes NO sense at all | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Bodi:
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I agree here. We are approaching 355,000 titles in the database. So far the titles with messed up covers that people have mentioned amount to about 10 I think. If you find another 90 of these titles, I still say that these types of cases are rare. So I really don't think this issue is that big a deal at all. Personally I think there are people who don't like the 'take title from the cover rule' and are just using this as an excuse to have the rule changed.
I agree with that. I also think that pingpongers that are frustated not to be able to add their name in a contribution list are searching all the interpretations of rules that will allow them to contribute. That is why I think we should change the contribution system... Is this about building a database. OR is it abourt getting your name up in lights on some list. You have finally revealed your true frustration.  I thank you for that. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
We have Rules, if you don't like them don't participate, if you want to participate then follow them. I do not like rules and I do not contribute nor vote, you already know that, so when you write that the database is a mess because I corrupted it, I would like to know how I did. But my participation to the life of this community is not only through contributing. I'm rather proud of the fact that the layout I sent was downloaded by more than 9000 users, that I significantly participated at the translation file that is most used by french speaking users, and I know some of my headshots pleased many other users, so I'm not at all frustated as you mentionned. It's not up to you to throw me away, though I know it is your dream... even if I sometimes wonder whether I should not decide that myself... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You said it correctly, you do not like the rules. Given that you have adopted the CORRECT position, your incessant carping is not however, The Rules are here, they are going anywhere and i am not interested in throwing you away as you put it. Simply stow it.
I will try again, we COPY the Overview warts and all. You want to interpret the data in the Overview to suit your taste. Why is this ridiculous and what are the ramifications. Is it color or is it colour. Next someone will want to correct grammatical errors and/or punctuation errors, some of which are also dependent on viewpoint. so what we wind up with an Overview that does NOT resemble what is written on the back cover but also is subject to ping-ponging as users like you battle over who created the best interpretation.
This is about data NOT interpretation, you want interpretation then write reviews. All I want you to do is stop whining on and on and on and on ad infinitum. We get it, you don't like it, but it is the way it is and it is not going to change to suit YOU.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think you need to expand your thinking, surfeur and try to understand the difference between data and interpretation.
Let me tell you a story from my college days... way back when. I spent many years in the Natural Sciences (in fact most of my schooling was geared towards science). In Science 2+2=4 everytime, no questions. Then for reasonms which are irrelevant here, I changed to a Business Degree with a Minor in Political Science. Of course, in taking Business courses I was required to take Economics. The professor says what is 2+2, and I go I know, I know it's FOUR, and the Prof says WRONG its SEVEN, you forgot to allow for the elasticity of the demand curve versus the inelasticity of the supply curve, etc. Needless to say I was completely freaked out, and spent my whole first year in Business flopping around ;like a fish out of his element. It was a different way of thinking, that's for sure.
In an Overview we have data that is presented on the back cover, which we are COPYING NOT interpreting. Yes, it seems that most of the people who write Overviews seem to have very poor writing skills. But the data IS what it is. It's not like the Runtime where the cover may be wrong AGAINST the actual time on the Disc, or the Features on the Back Cover may be wrong AGAINST the Actual disc. There is ONLY ONE Overview for nearly every title and it is normally in one place, the back cover, so ANY of your corrections are deviations from the way the data is presented and are interpretations which have no basis in actual fact beyond your head.
I have little doubt that this will not turn on the light bulb, or stop you from carping, though I have my fingers and toes crossed. There are Rule which I also don't agree with, so what, there are other rules which I not only disagree I totally disagree with the alleged rationale, or I haven't been able to figure it out. Notice that I am taking the blame on myself for not being able to sort something out, like the Slip Cover issue, which still makes no sense to me. I am not blaming the system, it is me, it is for me to try and understand the logic IF I can, if I can't..OH WELL. Then I have options which I can choose to exercise or not.
Well Skip then why do you keep going on about you not Contributing. Because that decision has NOTHING to do with the Rules,the factors which led to that decision lie completely outside the structure of the Rules. For those who know me very well probably have a pretty good idea of why that decision was reached, but it was MY decision, and i hope that one day I might be able to reverse it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I also think that pingpongers that are frustated not to be able to add their name in a contribution list are searching all the interpretations of rules that will allow them to contribute. Yes, I often wonder this myself too. What's the purpose of taking a title literally from the cover (like for the ones mentioned on page 1), other than "promoting" oneselves? I do not think it's necessary to show other users the outcome of some rules can be stupid, because I'm almost certain the creators of those rules or screeners of the database are aware of this too. I can only see this as a way of anarchy or frustration against the system, and I surely don't think it will help by acting this way. If something in the rules could be made clearer, one should use the forum as a "battleground". The database should stay out of sight until the "battle" is over. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I personally think nobody should impose such a rule, and I exlude myself of such a play. But if people love spelling mistakes, OK,... good for them... nothing wrong... but no common sense... Now, see, there you go again. You just said that anybody who is willing to copy the spelling mistakes in the overview, because that is what the rules say to do, has no common sense. That is an insult.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with, Unicus.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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I personally think nobody should impose such a rule, and I exlude myself of such a play. But if people love spelling mistakes, OK,... good for them... nothing wrong... but no common sense...
Now, see, there you go again. You just said that anybody who is willing to copy the spelling mistakes in the overview, because that is what the rules say to do, has no common sense. That is an insult. Saying that someone has no common sense when they correct a spelling error in an Overview is not a statement that they have no common sense in any area of life. If you feel it's an insult to make such a statement, that's your call. But it is not reasonable to extrapolate the statement into a general statement about anyone's entire life's outlook. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Saying that someone has no common sense when they correct a spelling error in an Overview is not a statement that they have no common sense in any area of life. That is your opinion, and you are welcome to it, but that does not make it true. I have been reading his posts for quite a while and I believe that is exactly what he is saying. If you don't agree with him, you have no common sense. Quote:
If you feel it's an insult to make such a statement, that's your call. But it is not reasonable to extrapolate the statement into a general statement about anyone's entire life's outlook. Reasonable, just like common sense, is a very subjective term. What is reasonable to one, may not be reasonable to another. In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, based on all of his previous posts, I find it to be a very reasonable position to take. If you don't agree, that is fine, but that would just be your opinion. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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