Skip, I'm afraid you still don't understand the entire concept at all. As far as I can tell, it all stems from you misinterpreting something Ken or Gerri once said.

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Gerri has previously said that if we could document that a "coomon Name was in error we could use that.

No, she has not (if you remain adamant that she did, then please, PLEASE provide a link). We've only been told that we can apply our knowledge when working with the "credit lookup" tool for determining someone's common name. So if an actor is credited both as John Doe and Johhny Doe, and the balance is 50 "John" vs. 60 "Johnny" entries, we actually CAN use John Doe as "common name" as long as you can document that a large enough part of those 60 "Johnny" entries is incorrect. Let's say the bulk of those 60 credits are all copies of the same two movies - two movies that you happen to own, and as such, were able to verify how the actor is actually credited. That may give you the ammo to say: despite the small advantage for "Johhny", the common name should actually be "John", as I can confirm that 45 of the 60 "Johnny" credits have actually been entered incorrectly - he's actually credited as "John" in those. THAT was what we've been told we could do. Certainly NOT that "real" or "actual" names could override the "credit lookup" tool results.

I have explained this to you on several occasions now - I seriously hope you get it this time. It doesn't matter what you do locally, but when voting or contributing, it does seem important that you at least realize how the system works.

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You should not give out a NO vote if it does not follow the nationality rules unless it is undoing where someone has already corrected it. If you dont know any better, then do what you know. If people want to vote No to that, I would expect a detailed explanation why and a subsequent contribution to make the correct changes.

Some people are interpretting it a little too literally. My clarification was to allow people the freedom to use the nationality rules if they know them. If they don't, just making capital letters small is still perfectly acceptable.

-Gerri

Thanks. That makes perfect sense, because we are not supposed to know capitalization rules in each and every language, but that still leaves the possibility to use the nationality rules if you know them.

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If you believe it is then I suggest you go to the source both the filmmakers and the actors. Helena Bonham-Carter has a contract for EVERY film she works on and part of that contract spells out exactly how she is to be credited. If she chooses to be credited as HBC then how is that an error, it was her choice.

You keep saying this, and it is absolute and utter rubbish!

Edit: this got me a negative reputation vote?! Pointing out an obvious lie that you've plucked out of thin air and that you keep repeating to attach some "weight" to your point of view? I'm sorry, but I'm going to stick with it: it's blatantly untrue. I'm not saying it doesn't ever happen, I'm saying that there's no such section in 95% of all acting contracts. And yes, I do speak from my own experience. Do you?

Maybe in the Netherlands this is not the case, but standard ACTRA and SAG (the two main actor's guilds in North America) contracts have a section on how the person wants to be credited. The same goes for any crew deal memo I've ever signed.

KM

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Maybe in the Netherlands this is not the case, but standard ACTRA and SAG (the two main actor's guilds in North America) contracts have a section on how the person wants to be credited. The same goes for any crew deal memo I've ever signed.

KM

Does that mean that when Stellan Skarsgård signed his contract for "The House on Turk Street" he actually asked that his last name should be misspelled "Skarsgard"? I find that really hard to believe... 

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more likely he had to sign a contract that his name is credited like this: Skarsgard.

Isn't that what I said? And why would he? That's not his name. a and å are two distinctly different characters in the Swedish alphabet (å comes after z).

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more likely he had to sign a contract that his name is credited like this: Skarsgard.

Isn't that what I said? And why would he? That's not his name. a and å are two distinctly different characters in the Swedish alphabet (å comes after z).

You would have to direct that question to Stellan, if I recall that is not the only film so credited. Why, he would do it I have no idea.

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Isn't that what I said?

No (Asking <> forced)

Well Astrakan said "contracts have a section on how the person wants to be credited" (My bolding). Doesn't that preclude being forced...?

All contracts for ANY film both Cast and Crew contain a "Credit Clause" that spells out the person is to be credited.

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