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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
From a contribution point of view I find the cast & crew section the most daunting mostly because of the amount of work needed to complete it. I don't feel like that for any other section - I either fill it or ignore it.
Knowing that they don't need to add all the cast and crew will take a lot of pressure off contributors who find it as daunting as me, however I don't see any need to emphasise this for any other area as they are comparitively much easier and quicker to fill in. I don;t understand why not adding all cast and crew will take pressure off contributors. All they have to do is not tick those boxes if they're not complete. What pressure are they under here?  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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From a contribution point of view I find the cast & crew section the most daunting mostly because of the amount of work needed to complete it. I don't feel like that for any other section - I either fill it or ignore it.
Knowing that they don't need to add all the cast and crew will take a lot of pressure off contributors who find it as daunting as me, however I don't see any need to emphasise this for any other area as they are comparitively much easier and quicker to fill in.
I don;t understand why not adding all cast and crew will take pressure off contributors. All they have to do is not tick those boxes if they're not complete. What pressure are they under here? I think 'pressure' is maybe the wrong word. I personally think that there are many cases of contributors noticing a profile missing cast/crew but they don't fill any of it in as it's too daunting or too time consuming. Now, they would be able to add as few entries as they wish. This would result in a profile with NO cast or crew to a profile with SOME cast or crew - I cannot see the downside of that personally (remembering that I am someone who ALWAYS does a full audit on titles I think a lot of people here have a very narrow view of things). |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I don;t understand why not adding all cast and crew will take pressure off contributors. All they have to do is not tick those boxes if they're not complete. What pressure are they under here? I think some people may be happy adding all the cast for an episode of a tv series but would find it difficult to face adding all the cast for ALL the episodes of a series. | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I think allowing partial contributions of fields is a BAD idea. Someone is going to have to come in behind that person's contribution and fix it anyway and it will take them just as long in many cases to verify the "partial" data as it will to enter it from scratch. Maybe. Even if this is so, in the meantime we have more data than we did prior to the partial contribution. Which I can only think of as a good thing. Say Person A only cares about principal actors and contributes a partial cast list. Then it takes six months for Person B to come along upgrade the profile to a full cast list. Personally, I'd rather have 5/30 actors for those six months than 0/30. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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I don;t understand why not adding all cast and crew will take pressure off contributors. All they have to do is not tick those boxes if they're not complete. What pressure are they under here?
I think some people may be happy adding all the cast for an episode of a tv series but would find it difficult to face adding all the cast for ALL the episodes of a series. But there are others that will do this work. And when they get aroind to it, they are going to have to go through every credit of a "partial" contribution to validate them before they contribute the full cast for every episode. Personally, I would never trust any contribution that was "partial" becuase it indciates to me that the person who submitted it did not commit the time to do it completely, and perhaps did not have the time to do it accurately either. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you don't trust the data that is there, and are going to do it all over or have to verify it and thats going to take you just as long as doing it all yourself there is a very simple solution. Delete the entire field before you start your 'audit' (its not technically an audit if your not checking anything) and then just enter it all from scratch. Now you only spent the 5 seconds to delete the old information and got right down to doing it all yourself which is what you seem to want, or at least to have each section done only by one person.
-Agrare
p.s. As stated I did get my first red arrow for that previous post, but i also got 4 greens (before the red came along) |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
I guess I'm in the minority when I think it's fine to accept partial contributions.
I don't think that you are in the minority! As Gerri said, the majority of the contributions are partial submissions, meaning also fields that are not complete. So there is a majority of users who do not just allow partial contributions, but even make them. Quote:
If there's a profile with 5 cast members (out of a total 30 on the DVD) and someone submits an update with an additional 5 cast members, that's still an improvement and should be accepted. Sure, we only have 10 of the 30, but that's still better than 5 of 30. I would agree with you as long as it's a definite part of the cast, for instance if you contribute the first 10 names and not the complete cast with 50 names. But I would vote NO to a "messy" contribution, like submitting every other cast member, and Gerri said she would not approve it. Quote:
The same thought process can be applied to any field. Yes, something is better than nothing, but I think that if you deliberately leave out a part of the Overview you should say it in the Notes. Like I said I don't see anyone deliberately leaving out parts of the Overview, and I don't understand why you should do such a thing (if you leave out a review, that's different: you leave it out because it doesn't belong with the Overview). The only example I've read of is Skip who deliberately leaves out single quotes. Well, I think he should specify that in his notes, if he doesn't already (I don't know), but the contribution itself is not against the Rules and in my opinion it is better than nothing. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting pauls42:
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Quoting hal9g:
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I don;t understand why not adding all cast and crew will take pressure off contributors. All they have to do is not tick those boxes if they're not complete. What pressure are they under here?
I think some people may be happy adding all the cast for an episode of a tv series but would find it difficult to face adding all the cast for ALL the episodes of a series.
But there are others that will do this work.
Maybe. Or maybe not. In regions other than R1 there are lots of profiles that probably nobody will ever update. If user Joe Doe adds the Director and the first 10 names of the Cast, I think that's better than having a blank profile. Quote:
And when they get aroind to it, they are going to have to go through every credit of a "partial" contribution to validate them before they contribute the full cast for every episode. Personally, I would never trust any contribution that was "partial" becuase it indciates to me that the person who submitted it did not commit the time to do it completely, and perhaps did not have the time to do it accurately either. My motto is: "trust no one", neither partial nor complete contributions. There are tons of "complete" contributions that are just a copy from IMDb or not accurate anyway. I sometimes would trust some users I know as accurate, but regardless of whether it's a complete or partial contribution. For instance, I'll bet that the "quoteless" overviews contributed by Skip are quite accurate, even if "partial"!  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
I think that if you deliberately leave out a part of the Overview you should say it in the Notes. Oh, for sure. That kind of thing is helpful to know. Quoting hal9g: Quote:
But there are others that will do this work. And when they get aroind to it, they are going to have to go through every credit of a "partial" contribution to validate them before they contribute the full cast for every episode. You can just delete all the prior data and do it from scratch. This would yield the same starting point you'd have if no one had contributed the partial stuff to begin with, and thus there's no extra effort. Other than removing the previous data, but that's super quick. edit: I just noticed Agrare's already made this point. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
You can just delete all the prior data and do it from scratch. This would yield the same starting point you'd have if no one had contributed the partial stuff to begin with, and thus there's no extra effort. Other than removing the previous data, but that's super quick.
KM Obviously. The point is that the previous partial contribution is of basicly no value to the person who will ultimately do a "full" contribution of the field. Does it have value to others who may download it in the meantime? I suppose, but if someone is gong to go to the trouble of contributing a field, I really do not understand why they would not want to do it completely and accurately. Locally they can retain all the "partial" information they like. From Gerri's perspective as a screener, I would think she would much rather only have to review any single field one time because it was done completely and accurately, than to have to revisit it numerous times as drips and drabs of information are "partially" added to the field. Allowing "partial" field contributions will create a whole bunch more profiles that need screeening and voting. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 524 |
| | Posted: | | | | I dont think it is going to create any mroe contibutions than it does today, because the majority of contributors are already aware that you can do this, and do send in partial contributions. I would say that by far the majority of the contributions that I get are partial contributions.
-Gerri | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, a rule change/clarrification is not needed? | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | To be honest, I think all we really need is for this topic to have it's title edited to make it clearer what's inside and then pin it so we can find it easily enough if this debate ever crops up again. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | -dupe- | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
To be honest, I think all we really need is for this topic to have it's title edited to make it clearer what's inside and then pin it so we can find it easily enough if this debate ever crops up again. In another forum I used to regularly read, there was a pinned thread that contained links (in the first post) to other useful/informative threads. Maybe something like this would be a good idea for these rule clarifying threads. Though personally, I think threads should only be added to something like that if there is an official acceptance of the consensus/opinion by Ken/Gerri. Or better yet would be two sections in the first post. One for Official statements regarding the contribution rules and another for general consensus of contribution rules by the forum community. -Agrare |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: [...] Quote:
Does it have value to others who may download it in the meantime? I suppose, but if someone is gong to go to the trouble of contributing a field, I really do not understand why they would not want to do it completely Perhaps because they don't have the time, or sometimes they don't feel confident with the technicalities of the Rules (think of the Sound crew roles) , or simply they don't care of all the crew and cast members but just of those they consider more important, I guess. Quote:
and accurately. That's a different kettle of fish. Quote:
Locally they can retain all the "partial" information they like. If it's not against the rules, they can contribute it to the main database as well. | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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