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My argument is simply that "Senator" is not part of his name, therefore, it does not belong in the "Name" Field and you must use the "credited as" field to enter the EXACT credit because his actual credit differs from his name..

But we agreed "Senator" is part of the credited name. And in DVDP the "Name" field is defined as "the most commonly credited name". 

Please tell me where in the Rules, that the "Name" field is defined as "the most commonly credited name".

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Please tell me where in the Rules, that the "Name" field is defined as "the most commonly credited name".

You are right, that's only Ken's interpretation, who cares   

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Please tell me where in the Rules, that the "Name" field is defined as "the most commonly credited name".

You are right, that's only Ken's interpretation, who cares   

I asked you where it was in the Rules!

Nice deflection!

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But it has to be a NAME.  Senator is not part of the NAME.

OR are you going to argue that his first name is "Senator Bill"?

Maybe it's a bit daft of me to come up with a simple solution, but it should be possible for Ken to add a field named "Title", shouldn't it. Here all this funny things like "Senator", "Sir", "Dame" or even "Dr." could be put in.
Until then everything else has to be a compromise, because as Hal mentioned a title is not a name but they should be in the database.

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Please tell me where in the Rules, that the "Name" field is defined as "the most commonly credited name".

It isn't, but Ken did weigh in on the discussion.  You can't argue that fact.  Since he did, and it is his program, I am not going to ignore it.

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Just handed this over to the "Feature Request"
Thread theme is "Add a "title" field to the "name"-fields.
When this comes it should give peace to this discussion.

I don't know how much work is involved in adding a new data field.  My preference would be for Ken to simply add a line in the rules to cover this.

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I didn't jump on him, midnit. In every case the As Credited data HAS to be correct BEFORE we can use the Alias system. I am trying to get people to comprehend this, either Tim wasn't paying attention or doesn't careor didn't understand, so I merely tried to expalin it AGAIN. I would expect the Alias to be Alec Guiness or John Gielgud or what have you, but if As Credited is not correct then we have no reliability of an accurate population count for the Alias. Just as Hal is trying to make up an Alias Senator Bill Bradley, whoi is credited with ONE single performance as Senator Bill Bradley and ZERO performances as Bill Bradley, William Bradley what have you. Therefore As Credited and credited are one and the same, there is no provision for hal's fiction.

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Skip,

I think a big part of the problem here, which is causing you to have to explain things over and over, is a definition of terms.  I think that people, including myself, are getting confused because so many different terms are being used, but are not defined.  We are seeing "Common Name", "Credited As", "As Credited", "Alias", "First Name", "Middle Name", "Last Name" and many others.  Some are obvious.  Here is my understanding of some of these terms.  Please correct me if I am not understanding correctly:

I think it's pretty clear that "Credited As" refers to the "Credited As" field in DVDP.  I also think that most of us all understand that what goes into that field is exactly what is printed in the credits.  If we are talking about Sir Alec Guiness, for example, it doesn't matter what ANY of us think his name should be.  If he is credited as Dr. Alex Lagerhead, then that is exactly what goes into the "Credited As".  Including all punctuation, etc.

First/Middle/Last Name is a bit trickier, as it is debatable if things like "Sir" or "Senator" should be included. It is also debatable if double first names (such as Mary Jane) should be entered as first/middle or both in the first name field, but that is a whole different can of worms.  My understanding is that the credit lookup tool should be used to help with this.  Also, if I understand correctly, the credit lookup tool gets its data from the "Credited As" data, and NOT from the "First/Middle/Last Name" data.  The tool will show how the person is credited in actual film credits.  If Sir Alec Guiness is NEVER credited with the "Sir" title, then the credit lookup tool will show 0 returns for "Sir Alec Guiness".  Since it has been established that Sir Alec Guiness is nearly always listed as "Alec Guiness" in movie credits, isn't that the name we should use in the First/Middle/Last fields?  First Name: Alec  Last Name: Guiness.  Sir should be left out.  Right?

Aside from those two, all of the other terms used are descriptive, but not defined. 
Common Name:  I don't know what that is.  I think you mean the most common result from the credit lookup tool.

Alias:  Again, I don't know for certain.  All I know is that you have stated it is the same as the Common Name.  Also, that the alias system will not work unless the "As Credited" data is correct.

As Credited: I'm not sure what you mean by this at all.  Since you have mentioned both "Credited As" and "As Credited" in the same post, as different things, I'm not sure what this would be.  I think this might be one of the biggest problems with people misunderstanding your explanations on this subject.

Hopefully, I've got the basics down right and a bit of clarification from you will clear up the remaining confusions.

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Please tell me where in the Rules, that the "Name" field is defined as "the most commonly credited name".

It isn't, but Ken did weigh in on the discussion.  You can't argue that fact.  Since he did, and it is his program, I am not going to ignore it.

At no time did I infer or state that Ken had not weighed in.

I asked where it was in the Rules.

The first two words in your reply is all the answer that is required.

Thanks.