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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | That sounds like a very wise decision Gerri. Thanks for bringing some common sense to the situation. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think that is a fine way to handle the problem -- especially when looking for what to say in contribution notes. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
To give you the end of this story: My contribution for the UK profile of "From the Earth to the Moon" got accepted by Invelos - as well as my negative vote for Skips "No" (accusing me of "blatantly violating the rules"). I think the part that bothers me the most in this whole thing is that we have R1 users voting on R2 profiles when you know they don't actually own the R2 version. It's not just this thread. I've always hated the practice of adding something to your wishlist for the purpose of voting on it. Especially when it's not even the same region. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
I think the part that bothers me the most in this whole thing is that we have R1 users voting on R2 profiles when you know they don't actually own the R2 version. It's not just this thread. I've always hated the practice of adding something to your wishlist for the purpose of voting on it. Especially when it's not even the same region. This has always bothered me as well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | And just to be clear, I'm talking about Skip here. But it's certainly not just him. It's the practice that bothers me here, not the user. I'd love to hear any arguments supporting this practice. It's possible that I'm just not getting it. But at this point it just seems wrong to me. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | ?? I guess I never paid much attention as I wasn't aware that practice even happened. What a load of crap.  Since I'm in region 1, it never occurs to me to question who votes on any profiles that I interact with. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | However, there is some of us who actually buy both R2 and R1 movies (not both versions of the same movie, though). | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | The whole thing smacks of folks trying to self-appoint themselves as the database police. That's really annoying.
I'm aware that there are plenty of folks who are multi-region capable and take advantage of all the releases the world has to offer, but tracking identical titles across different regions for the purposes of voting is just plain abuse of the system. Just because you may own a version of the title in one region does not give any of us the right to weigh in on every possible iteration of said title. Goodness knows, there are times I wish I could change every version of a particular title if only to purge it of erroneous data that continuously gets copied about like a virus. But we're not set up to operate that way, presumably for a reason. Purposely circumventing that displays a distinct lack of character. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Before this gets too far out of hand, I would point out that the cast for a movie is the cast. It's an absolute that doesn't change (in most cases) regardless of the number of profiles or how many regions it is released in.
I'm not saying that's a valid reason for adding profiles you don't own and will never own just for the purpose of voting on it. But I could see that argument being made.
Likewise, rules are rules. Again, it doesn't matter if you own the profile or not. If something goes against the rules, it should be voted down.
I wouldn't add profiles like this just to vote on them. I'm just curious why others feel it's ok. Maybe they have a different point of view I've not considered. I'm also not in favor of disabling the ability to vote on wishlist items (I know that's mentioned from time to time). It's just as easy to add something to your owned collection temporarily and accomplish the same thing. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
I think the part that bothers me the most in this whole thing is that we have R1 users voting on R2 profiles when you know they don't actually own the R2 version. It's not just this thread. I've always hated the practice of adding something to your wishlist for the purpose of voting on it. Especially when it's not even the same region. I completely agree, in my eyes it's dangerously close to vote-stuffing. Personally, I will often add these profiles to my database so I can evaluate it myself and give my opinion in the forums. But I will never vote on these profiles. I don't own, I don't plan to own it, therefore I have no right to vote on it. If I did, we'd all be allowed to vote on every change, not just the ones that affect our own database. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know of at least one user that goes to the effort to update cast and crew for the same film across regions and localities. It's way too much effort for me, but in the end, they are improving the database and also improving the accuracy of the Credit Lookup tool. I see those as positives.
If the end result is an improved database, I don't see the problem or the need to see proof of ownership. If someone uses that flexibility to the detriment of the database, then we'd have something to talk about. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I know of at least one user that goes to the effort to update cast and crew for the same film across regions and localities. It's way too much effort for me, but in the end, they are improving the database and also improving the accuracy of the Credit Lookup tool. I see those as positives.
If the end result is an improved database, I don't see the problem or the need to see proof of ownership. If someone uses that flexibility to the detriment of the database, then we'd have something to talk about. That's something I hadn't thought of, and is to be applauded. The problem with that approach is that this user may not be aware of any regional differences that may occur in the cast & crew and so could be submitting incorrect data, however good their intentions are. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
The problem with that approach is that this user may not be aware of any regional differences that may occur in the cast & crew and so could be submitting incorrect data, however good their intentions are. Agreed. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
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To give you the end of this story: My contribution for the UK profile of "From the Earth to the Moon" got accepted by Invelos - as well as my negative vote for Skips "No" (accusing me of "blatantly violating the rules").
I think the part that bothers me the most in this whole thing is that we have R1 users voting on R2 profiles when you know they don't actually own the R2 version. It's not just this thread. I've always hated the practice of adding something to your wishlist for the purpose of voting on it. Especially when it's not even the same region. While I don't like this practice of voting on or contributing to titles only on your wishlist (what you don't own, you shouldn't profile, as you can't vouch for the correctness of the data you provide) there's one, and only one (!), reason for allowing this: Without this possibility, it would have been impossible to keep the contributions of a certain Finnish user (Trinitron and whatever other names he used in the past) out of the database. Because of the ability to vote on wishlist titles, it was possible to administer very high numbers of no-votes from all over the world to disallow this erronous data to make it into the online. But you can't limit this anyway, as there's no way to keep people from adding titles to their owned list. So, all we can do, is ask those using extensive wishlists to handle those profiles reasonably (wishful thinking? - Maybe, but hope survives, right?) | | | | Lutz |
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