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Series vs Seasons and the 'Multiple Complete TV' Rule
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Well, being in the U.S. where  a series is not the same as a eeason my interpretation of the rules says...

When one or more series (Bones / House) are packaged together, you can apply the boxset rules.

But, knowing that whoever wrote that meant series = season, I know what the intent was. Only problem is it was porrly written.

Intent is that if multiple seasons of a series are packaged together you may apply box set rules.
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Lithurge...from what I am understanding is that this rule was intended for megasets...the Black Adder set is not a megaset...it is the same set as a single season of Three's Company or Married With Children that comes in a Digipak. Not 8 Digipaks bundled together.


It's not the same as a single season at all.

Boxsets of films are not defined by packaging nor by being released individually, they are simply multiple films collected together in one package, whatever that packaging is.

Ergo multiple series collected in one package, whatever that packaging is, are boxsets.

Oh and Blackadder was released as individual series in the UK before they were collected.
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Lithurge...from what I am understanding is that this rule was intended for megasets...the Black Adder set is not a megaset...it is the same set as a single season of Three's Company or Married With Children that comes in a Digipak. Not 8 Digipaks bundled together.


It's not the same as a single season at all.

Boxsets of films are not defined by packaging nor by being released individually, they are simply multiple films collected together in one package, whatever that packaging is.

Ergo multiple series collected in one package, whatever that packaging is, are boxsets.

Oh and Blackadder was released as individual series in the UK before they were collected.



I'm talking about the US release of Black Adder not the UK release.

Movies have nothing to do with the discussion...there are seperate rules for TV series. We are talking TV here.

And your opinion of the rule as well as mine doesn't really matter here. We need the Rules Committe to give their opinion and intent.
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Lithurge...from what I am understanding is that this rule was intended for megasets...the Black Adder set is not a megaset...it is the same set as a single season of Three's Company or Married With Children that comes in a Digipak. Not 8 Digipaks bundled together.


It's not the same as a single season at all.

Boxsets of films are not defined by packaging nor by being released individually, they are simply multiple films collected together in one package, whatever that packaging is.

Ergo multiple series collected in one package, whatever that packaging is, are boxsets.

Oh and Blackadder was released as individual series in the UK before they were collected.



I'm talking about the US release of Black Adder not the UK release.

Movies have nothing to do with the discussion...there are seperate rules for TV series. We are talking TV here.

And your opinion of the rule as well as mine doesn't really matter here. We need the Rules Committe to give their opinion and intent.


There is no rules committee anymore. There is a rules discussion forum. But it's highly likely the committee would have given different answers anyway.

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Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.


What is unclear about this? There is no caveat about packaging or how it was originally released.

Besides even if you don't want to apply that rule you have the following that allows for individual profiles.

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Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents.

In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.


You're making it harder than it needs to be.
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I'm not making it harder Lithurge...people who are voting 'no' to a cast and crew contribution for the parent profile of the set are making it harder than it needs to be.
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I'm not making it harder Lithurge...people who are voting 'no' to a cast and crew contribution for the parent profile of the set are making it harder than it needs to be.


Then those people are wrong - the rules state that boxset rules can be applied, it doesn't mean they must be.
Although by definition the Blackadder set is a megaset (multiple seasons in one set), the rules still allow you to add cast & crew if you want to. In fact, that's how the UK profile is already done.
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Now you make it clear.

Intent or otherwise doesn't matter as it can't be enforced. As the TV rules say 'can' apply boxset rules, not 'must' and the TV state that individual profiles are 'not' required, then I would say you can add cast/crew to the parent.

I would explain this in the notes then leave it for the screener to decide.

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NB beat me to it this time, but at least two of us agree 
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was intended for these megasets and not for sets such as the Black Adder set and the Fawlty Towers set. So box set rules would not apply to these rather TV set rules should apply. Yes or No? or Maybe?

Fawlty Towers was several "Seasons". However, the 3-disc release comes in a digipak and was also released separately in 3 single discs. As each discs contains 1 1/2 seasons (IIRC), it could be argued if "multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together" in this case...

So, a clear Maybe from me...
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I'm not making it harder Lithurge...people who are voting 'no' to a cast and crew contribution for the parent profile of the set are making it harder than it needs to be.


Then those people are wrong - the rules state that boxset rules can be applied, it doesn't mean they must be.
Although by definition the Blackadder set is a megaset (multiple seasons in one set), the rules still allow you to add cast & crew if you want to. In fact, that's how the UK profile is already done.



Oh, good call!

Do you really want the cast and crew for 11 seasons of MASH in the parent profile? 

The wording is poor.  It should never have said "can".  That was an oversight.  If you've ever been involved in writing these things, you'd know that our tendency is to be polite and not prescriptive, even though we should be.  See that, I said "should be" instead of "must be".

I've said all I'm going to on this.  If you want to put all of the cast and crew in a multi-season (multi-series) release, keep it local.  If you contribute it, you'll get a "no" vote from me!
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I'm not making it harder Lithurge...people who are voting 'no' to a cast and crew contribution for the parent profile of the set are making it harder than it needs to be.


Then those people are wrong - the rules state that boxset rules can be applied, it doesn't mean they must be.
Although by definition the Blackadder set is a megaset (multiple seasons in one set), the rules still allow you to add cast & crew if you want to. In fact, that's how the UK profile is already done.



Oh, good call!

Do you really want the cast and crew for 11 seasons of MASH in the parent profile? 

The wording is poor.  It should never have said "can".  That was an oversight.  If you've ever been involved in writing these things, you'd know that our tendency is to be polite and not prescriptive, even though we should be.  See that, I said "should be" instead of "must be".

I've said all I'm going to on this.  If you want to put all of the cast and crew in a multi-season (multi-series) release, keep it local.  If you contribute it, you'll get a "no" vote from me!


I agree it's going to result in an overload of data for those sorts of sets. I think it's workable for Blackadder (& from the sounds of it Fawlty Towers) as they are effectively the same length as a single series of an American show.

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And just for clarity I'm not somebody who's overly concerned about credits in TV series, so this is just an observation for consideration for those who do care.
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I'm not making it harder Lithurge...people who are voting 'no' to a cast and crew contribution for the parent profile of the set are making it harder than it needs to be.


Then those people are wrong - the rules state that boxset rules can be applied, it doesn't mean they must be.
Although by definition the Blackadder set is a megaset (multiple seasons in one set), the rules still allow you to add cast & crew if you want to. In fact, that's how the UK profile is already done.



Oh, good call!

Do you really want the cast and crew for 11 seasons of MASH in the parent profile? 

The wording is poor.  It should never have said "can".  That was an oversight.  If you've ever been involved in writing these things, you'd know that our tendency is to be polite and not prescriptive, even though we should be.  See that, I said "should be" instead of "must be".

I've said all I'm going to on this.  If you want to put all of the cast and crew in a multi-season (multi-series) release, keep it local.  If you contribute it, you'll get a "no" vote from me!


I agree it's going to result in an overload of data for those sorts of sets. I think it's workable for Blackadder (& from the sounds of it Fawlty Towers) as they are effectively the same length as a single series of an American show.

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And just for clarity I'm not somebody who's overly concerned about credits in TV series, so this is just an observation for consideration for those who do care.


A distinction based on the number of episodes is one thing, but the argument that you don't have to use the Boxset Rules because the Rules use the word "can", opens it up to every "Complete Series".

Sorry, but that's nuts and it's contrary to th poll results.
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I think you're looking at this from the wrong angle.
Currently the TV boxset rules state that you must add all the data to the parent profile.
Obviously for megasets this is an unfair rule, so Ken added the note that this rule may be ignored for megasets.
If someone still wants to go ahead and add the data for a short series like Blackadder, Fawlty Towers etc. I don't see the problem or why people should vote no on these.
However if someone were to submit a 100 episode long parent profile for a megaset I would vote no on it on the basis that it does not "add significant value to the database." On the contrary it clogs it up with unnecessary data.
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I'm not making it harder Lithurge...people who are voting 'no' to a cast and crew contribution for the parent profile of the set are making it harder than it needs to be.


Then those people are wrong - the rules state that boxset rules can be applied, it doesn't mean they must be.
Although by definition the Blackadder set is a megaset (multiple seasons in one set), the rules still allow you to add cast & crew if you want to. In fact, that's how the UK profile is already done.



Oh, good call!

Do you really want the cast and crew for 11 seasons of MASH in the parent profile?  

The wording is poor.  It should never have said "can".  That was an oversight.  If you've ever been involved in writing these things, you'd know that our tendency is to be polite and not prescriptive, even though we should be.  See that, I said "should be" instead of "must be".

I've said all I'm going to on this.  If you want to put all of the cast and crew in a multi-season (multi-series) release, keep it local.  If you contribute it, you'll get a "no" vote from me!


Hal:

Stop trying to use this argument. It was YOU who argued for Cast and Crew data for the Parent profile. You are now being either hypocritical with that statement or childish as you have discovered the validity of what I said about using the Child profiles for Cast and Crew because it it the samllest piece og data we can get to at this time.

You insistance on making this comment shows that you have no comprehension of what I have been saying, you wanted it you have it now BE CONSISTENT and stop trying to squirm away from it, or you could admit your reasoning was wrong.

275 sets of cast and crew with MASH is what you get because you wanted it.

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No worries. Any submission like Skip is proposing will get voted down and declined by Invelos.

The rules state:

Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile

All this thread is trying to do is tweak the rule since it is no longer a "rare" case. As usual however there are those who want to debate the issue again and not stay on track.
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It's not a rare case anymore, Rick and is becoming less so every week.
Every TV Series, so far, once it has run its course; has been re-packaged in a Megaset. Then ther are the announcements like The Man From UNCLE coming in the fall from Time-Life/Warner in a Megaset like Get Smart last year.

But that is not the basis of my argument.

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