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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | If Ken or Gerri read this thread (and I'm sure they will) could they please remove the personal comments from the contribution notes for this profile? I don't think that's the sort of thing we want left on the profile. And Unicus, admit it - at those ages, you let them win don't you?  |
|  | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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I found a better reason to vote no to this contribution.
He removed Cecil Beaton from the credits.
Cecil Beaton was the Production Designer and has his own screen credit.
Thank you! Don't think I'm all on one side here. I have to say that this could have been handled better on both sides. Rick knows how Skip feels yet he punched those buttons anyway and sure enough, Skip reacted in his predictable way. Now that there is another reason for him to re-edit the profile, would ask Skip to 'correct' the quotes in the overview as well. | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Don't think I'm all on one side here.
I have to say that this could have been handled better on both sides. Rick knows how Skip feels yet he punched those buttons anyway and sure enough, Skip reacted in his predictable way.
Now that there is another reason for him to re-edit the profile, would ask Skip to 'correct' the quotes in the overview as well. I didn't think anything about what side you might or might not be on or to what degree. I'm merely thankful that you identified a credit that we can save.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
If Ken or Gerri read this thread (and I'm sure they will) could they please remove the personal comments from the contribution notes for this profile? I don't think that's the sort of thing we want left on the profile. Agreed. Please consider doing this. Quote:
And Unicus, admit it - at those ages, you let them win don't you? For the most part, yes. But the Wii requires some physical effort to play some of the sports game and they wore me out.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Rick knows how Skip feels yet he punched those buttons anyway and sure enough, Skip reacted in his predictable way.
Now that there is another reason for him to re-edit the profile, would ask Skip to 'correct' the quotes in the overview as well. You are right. Next time I'll vote YES on an incorrect submission and hope the submitter reads my request he change the wrong info.  There is no way you can spin this to make it my fault. I did what we all do. What Skip himself doesand chastises us if we don't (one reason for the PM blocks on my end) When someone submits incorrect data, we vote NO. Once I did that The submission was pulled and resubmitted calling me out for my no vote. The worst part was I WAS NOT THE 1ST TO VOTE NO FOR THE INCORRECT OVERVIEW!!!  It is only because of some bizarre thought that I am against everything Skip does and have ulterior motives for anything I say that goes against him that it escalated. If not it would have been pulled and re-submitted calling out the 1st person who pointed out the error. Even in this thread it was only after the overwhelming majority agreed with me that Skip decided (yes Skip decided) to let it known who it was. He, in his usual arrogant self, could not deal with the FACT that everyone who was posting was against what he did. He backed himself into this corner. I did NOT push him there. He could have taken his chances with the screeners. If he feels his contribution was correct then it would have been a no brainer, it would have been approved. But no. Nice spin Dan, but I'm not buying it. FWIW I hope you can get him to change the submission, although it well once again show that it was 100% personal as to why he wouldn't change it earlier. He can't admit it is wrong now when all day he has been claiming it was correct. EDIT: I just looked and found a submission where Skip voted NO so I guess it's still allowed. I personally do not threaten people with my comments. Maybe that's what I'm doing wrong. I should have threatened Skip when I voted like he does this submitter: skipnet50 : Please review the Rules and include your source for data, and it had better be the film but I bet it's not What happened to voting YES wirth a comment? The hypocrisy is unbelievable. I'm going back into hiding. There is nothing here that is worth the abuse one gets. Ken, this type of behavior from Skip and othes is chasing people away. I hope you see that and eventually figure out a way to deal with it. | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rick, Skip said, outright, that it was a choice he made. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I just double checked to be sure, NO I did not change that piece of data and I choose not to. I would Doc, but...
Skip An earlier post is one I felt that was filled with oddities. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
NO USER is required to make any change he does not wish to make , Rick. By your standard, if a user chooses NOT to add an edition for his own purposes that is his business not yours or mine. I have the ability as do you to make the change.
1. I am not as free with the italics as others are
2. for me it designates the title or actor name, when italicized.
3. You are attempting to impose your will on another user and that is WRONG PERIOD,
4. personally I view it as a violation of your votin privilege
5. and i would hope Ken would take corrective action against the users involved.
There is nothing that says any user is required to make ANY specific change, if you want it...be my guest,
6. but stop blackmailing me.
Skip The numbers are mine. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Doesn't matter Dan. I'm done (as I just posted in an edit above)
Every time I cross the almighty Skip it ends the same way.
I will follow the lead of others I know and simply avoid voting on his profiles and responding to his posts.
The abuse received when you disagree with him turns what is supposed to be a fun hobby into a hige headache. Really far from fun. I personally do not enjoy these discussions. Debates are fine, but attacks (back and forth from both parties...myself included) are not fun.
Again I hope Ken does something about it. While I can only speak for myself I know of others who are fed up with it as well. |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Doesn't matter Dan. I'm done (as I just posted in an edit above)
Every time I cross the almighty Skip it ends the same way.
I will follow the lead of others I know and simply avoid voting on his profiles and responding to his posts.
The abuse received when you disagree with him turns what is supposed to be a fun hobby into a hige headache. Really far from fun. I personally do not enjoy these discussions. Debates are fine, but attacks (back and forth from both parties...myself included) are not fun.
Again I hope Ken does something about it. While I can only speak for myself I know of others who are fed up with it as well. And just think, he doesn't call you on the phone.  | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Skip said, outright, that it was a choice he made. The Rules are in place to eliminate user choices... Skip knows that, possiby better than anyone else, or so I thought. Quoting Dan W: Quote:
An earlier post is one I felt that was filled with oddities. Shorten for, well, length. You are right, those are oddities. It shows in almost every single item, that Skip gets to conribute what he feels is right and we get to contribute according the Rules. I will not comment on the contributor's behavior displayed in the contribution notes and this thread. It speaks for itself. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Round 2! Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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Rick knows how Skip feels yet he punched those buttons anyway and sure enough, Skip reacted in his predictable way.
Now that there is another reason for him to re-edit the profile, would ask Skip to 'correct' the quotes in the overview as well.
You are right. Next time I'll vote YES on an incorrect submission and hope the submitter reads my request he change the wrong info. Right, Rick. I'm not sure what we're being asked to do there so we don't push Skip's buttons.  I think the only thing we can do is blindly vote 'yes' since all else is seen as button pushing and blackmail.   Quote:
The worst part was I WAS NOT THE 1ST TO VOTE NO FOR THE INCORRECT OVERVIEW!!! I know! I can't remember who that first person was. This all got out of control so quickly...I just remember you were second and I was third and before you know it...we were in trouble. Quote:
EDIT: I just looked and found a submission where Skip voted NO so I guess it's still allowed. I personally do not threaten people with my comments. Maybe that's what I'm doing wrong. I should have threatened Skip when I voted like he does this submitter:
skipnet50 : Please review the Rules and include your source for data, and it had better be the film but I bet it's not Right. I don't think the Maid in Manhattan Amendment (vote 'yes' with a pretty please leaning in the 'no' direction) applies in reverse. Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Rick,
Skip said, outright, that it was a choice he made.
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
I just double checked to be sure, NO I did not change that piece of data and I choose not to. I would Doc, but...
Skip Yes, but...is choice allowed for this rule? If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks. It doesn't say If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then pick which ones you want and then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks. Quoting Dan quoting Skip: Quote:
NO USER is required to make any change he does not wish to make , Rick. If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks.Quote:
By your standard, if a user chooses NOT to add an edition for his own purposes that is his business not yours or mine. If they don't check the Overview box, they don't have to follow the rules for Overviews. If they do check the box, then If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks. Quote:
1. I am not as free with the italics as others are Then don't check the Overview box on your contribution because if you do If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks. Quote:
2. for me it designates the title or actor name, when italicized. OK. Fine, but if you check the box for Overview then If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks. Quote:
3. You are attempting to impose your will on another user and that is WRONG PERIOD, Rick isn't the one that said If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks? That's an Invelos rule. Quote:
4. personally I view it as a violation of your votin privilege It's a violation to follow the rule that says If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks? But the rules say Conversely, voting "Yes" to a contribution which violates these Contribution Rules should also be avoided. Quote:
5. and i would hope Ken would take corrective action against the users involved. You want Ken to take corrective action against someone who read this rule If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks and saw you were making a choice and so they followed this voting directive Conversely, voting "Yes" to a contribution which violates these Contribution Rules should also be avoided? Quote:
There is nothing that says any user is required to make ANY specific change, if you want it...be my guest, It is directly said If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks. That makes it a requirement...if you check the Overview box in your contribution. Quote:
6. but stop blackmailing me.
Skip So now blackmail is made equivalent to Conversely, voting "Yes" to a contribution which violates these Contribution Rules should also be avoided? Quoting Dan W: Quote:
And just think, he doesn't call you on the phone. He does. It's only an issue if you answer. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW Rick, don't bother to thank me, I don't like your methods AT ALL and I don't like being blackmailed.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
BTW Rick, don't bother to thank me, I don't like your methods AT ALL and I don't like being blackmailed.
Skip Um...you told me that if I didn't change my vote, you would tell Ken I was violating my voting privileges and you'd re-do the notes to include my name. Who's the blackmailer? | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
Rick knows how Skip feels yet he punched those buttons anyway and sure enough, Skip reacted in his predictable way.
Now that there is another reason for him to re-edit the profile, would ask Skip to 'correct' the quotes in the overview as well.
You are right. Next time I'll vote YES on an incorrect submission and hope the submitter reads my request he change the wrong info.
There is no way you can spin this to make it my fault. I did what we all do. What Skip himself doesand chastises us if we don't (one reason for the PM blocks on my end) When someone submits incorrect data, we vote NO. Once I did that The submission was pulled and resubmitted calling me out for my no vote. The worst part was I WAS NOT THE 1ST TO VOTE NO FOR THE INCORRECT OVERVIEW!!! It is only because of some bizarre thought that I am against everything Skip does and have ulterior motives for anything I say that goes against him that it escalated. If not it would have been pulled and re-submitted calling out the 1st person who pointed out the error.
Even in this thread it was only after the overwhelming majority agreed with me that Skip decided (yes Skip decided) to let it known who it was. He, in his usual arrogant self, could not deal with the FACT that everyone who was posting was against what he did.
He backed himself into this corner. I did NOT push him there. He could have taken his chances with the screeners. If he feels his contribution was correct then it would have been a no brainer, it would have been approved. But no.
Nice spin Dan, but I'm not buying it. FWIW I hope you can get him to change the submission, although it well once again show that it was 100% personal as to why he wouldn't change it earlier. He can't admit it is wrong now when all day he has been claiming it was correct.
EDIT: I just looked and found a submission where Skip voted NO so I guess it's still allowed. I personally do not threaten people with my comments. Maybe that's what I'm doing wrong. I should have threatened Skip when I voted like he does this submitter:
skipnet50 : Please review the Rules and include your source for data, and it had better be the film but I bet it's not
What happened to voting YES wirth a comment?
The hypocrisy is unbelievable.
I'm going back into hiding. There is nothing here that is worth the abuse one gets.
Ken, this type of behavior from Skip and othes is chasing people away. I hope you see that and eventually figure out a way to deal with it. I don't have to spin it. Your tactics are what they were. You tried and some others tried blackmail, that didn't work. So you brought it here knowing that was all you had to do and users would flock to it whether you were right or NOT. Irrelevant. Rick, I can't speak for other users I have repeatedly said that I monitor even my yes votes, for comments. the reason you blocked my PM's was because of my abuse you claim, you just don't like someone telling you that you are wrong, you aren't alone in that category you have friends that behave the same way. You also know that when you find what is a legitimate error I will fix it, see Cecil Beaton, and if I disagree with you I will debate the point YOUR way is not necessarily the right way, in fact it usually is not...as demonstrated by your tactics. If your position was well supported and documented you wouyldn't have to run to the forums now would you. I still think that was absolutely true James, you were trying impose upon your will upon me and I don't appreciate it, in fact i find it downright insulting. You call that a threat, Rick. The user did not provide ANY documentation, for his Contribution. It is, I believe a pre-release, or at best a partial listing. So the user does need to read the rules and I don't think his data originated with the film. Where's the threat? As I said Rick, it is your tactics that stink this place up, that is my opinion and if you don't like it; tough. I hope you guys are ready, I don't like the precedent you have set but there it is. I will vote in accordance with it, accurate AND complete. If you leave off a Commentary NO, if you leave off a Studio or Feature NO, if you don't use the Edition when you should NO. I don't want to be this tough, but you guys dictated it... so I will live with it and so will YOU. But you won't, Rick, since you very seldom Contribute. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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Skip said, outright, that it was a choice he made.
The Rules are in place to eliminate user choices... Skip knows that, possiby better than anyone else, or so I thought.
Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
An earlier post is one I felt that was filled with oddities.
Shorten for, well, length.
You are right, those are oddities. It shows in almost every single item, that Skip gets to conribute what he feels is right and we get to contribute according the Rules.
I will not comment on the contributor's behavior displayed in the contribution notes and this thread. It speaks for itself. Achim: I defy you to show me ANYWHERE in the Rules where it says data must be both complete and accurate. I support delineating titles in the fashion we have chosen. Once we get actual italics that will be a different story, but for the moment and you and I have discussed this privately before, it is titles and names that I focus to separate them from the balance of the Overview instead of just making them a mass of words with no meaning Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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