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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Except that in combos we do not have a true parent child relationship. It resembles but its not. That would require that we treat a combo as a boxset. Thus said box would have two children, one for each medium. That would be a whole different discussion, one which I don't find useful or necessary at this time. Right now I am working at trying to figure out the best way to deal with combos, given that there are some that are dual sided. That could change my thinking, but its too early to tell. Except, as you pointed out in one of those other threads: Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: ...But because the differences do exist and are significant the only way to keep the data useable and identifiable is to creat Parent-Child sets so that each medium will be able to be appropriately handled. Skip and Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Quoting jmbox:
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Quote: I wouldn't tick it as that's covered under the DVD child profile I would think.
If that is the general opinion (and I agree) it would probably be a good idea to gray out the option in combo profiles. Since the main feature will NEVER be anamorphic. Actually, some releases are a DVD with bonus Blu-Ray, so the main feature will be anamorphic. Right.
Skip Please note - I am ONLY trying to point out that the issue is not clear based on the many threads that have been posted in these forums. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy You are clearly taking things out of context. One of the partial quotes is clearly referring to possible handling as a boxset since it refers to the parent child relationship and handling appropriate to a boxset. I would guess that quote predates Jens rule mod. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Also note that as database, industry and product evolves, so fo thoughts. Do what I thought may not be what I think. As I noted right now I am reflecting upon the "oddball" combo of a dual sided disc. It obviously does not fit within the system now per se. We could allow for it, but at the same time that would create a second disc where only one exists. Have to think about it so I can make the proper recommendation, any thoughts are of interest on it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy,
Consesus from this or other threads in a way is immaterial.
The only reason for a concensus to be required is if there is abiguity in the rule.
Currently the rule states: Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.
Now as can clearley see in the rule that the main profile is to be beased off the HD content so the people that state that Anamorphic should not be checked is supported by the rule.
Now the only way to prove ambiguity and the need for a consensus is to show how the rule also supports the checking of Anamorphic.
So until that is done there is no real debate as far as the existing rule is interpreted.
So far those that would like anamorphic checked are stating so based on what they want to see in the data, which should not be the debate here. The debate at the present time is what the current rule states.
But like i said before if enough people what it changed and Ken approves there is another mechanism for that. |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Kathy You are clearly taking things out of context. You're right - I should have quoted the entire post. Here is the thread that I was quoted you (page 1) from is this one: "Should anamorphic video be ticked for combo editions?" found here: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=440870&PageNum=1&messageID=1208681#M1208681. |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote: Kathy, Consesus from this or other threads in a way is immaterial.
I don't agree - I believe it is very important. It helps to gauge the understanding people have of a situation. The results can also help in suggesting and implementing change(s) to the database. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Even so Kathy, what I thought at whatever time that was is not necessarily what I think today. So trying to put Me in a box is a bad idea. As I said the database, rules, industry and product are in a constant state if change. While the foundational thinkinorg used to develop the entire rule set is not likely ti change a great deal, the thinking regarding any individual rule is always subject to some modification. This is such an area right now and I am interested in other thoughts on it especially as regard the dual sided combos, the DVD B based combo Is easy to do or not as ken wishes, but the dual sided is a whole other can of worms. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Quoting Scooter1836:
Quote: Kathy, Consesus from this or other threads in a way is immaterial.
I don't agree - I believe it is very important.
It helps to gauge the understanding people have of a situation.
The results can also help in suggesting and implementing change(s) to the database. Please quote the next sentence. Quote:
The only reason for a concensus to be required is if there is abiguity in the rule.
You are correct, but not in the context of the conversation. If we were trying to figure out a better way to change the rule I might agree However you are changing the subject Now you are voting NO on contributions based on the need for a consensus. And my point is there there is no consensus requried since there has been no proven ambuguity. Quote:
Now the only way to prove ambiguity and the need for a consensus is to show how the rule also supports the checking of Anamorphic.
Can you show how? No one else seems to | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote: But, the rules are not clear - and the forum muddies it even more. What should be on the main profile? What should be included from the DVD? I've been told by some to include ALL extras from ALL discs in the main profile; but other people say to ONLY include the BD extras.
This part of the rules is not clear and to be so condescending and patronising in your tone Skip just pisses people like me off. While I agree that the doncescending and patronising comments are not needed, I do believe the rule is clear on this point when it says they are to be "entered as a normal profile." For normal profiles, that contain more than one disc, we include all extras in the main profile. I don't know why these would be any different. The only things we don't include are the details...aspect ratio, audio, etc. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Now you are voting NO on contributions based on the need for a consensus. And my point is there there is no concensus requried since there has been no proven ambuguity.
The documentation those profiles states "Removed anamorphic designation as this does not apply to the main feature on the Blu-ray parent profile, only to the child DVD profile. Also see http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=649083 where there is an agreement on this in the rule interpretation." I do not see that there is an agreement on this subject on this thread, as well as others, and I have voted "no" to alert the screeners of that fact. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Posted: | | | | Tian you are 60% correct why would younit include bothe video and audio as it pertsains to the "parent". It willl apply to the bd and be different from the DVD child. And btw your reference to condescension is in your imagination, not factual. Since your reference was probably aimed at me I think I know a but more about it than thew, maybe a small touch of sarcasm. But then I am not one who is pretending that a very clear rule us not clear, it causes some wonderment and some very interesting questions come to mind but I won't go there. I will only point out the powere that profiler has with its online?local design giving the user the ability to manage his data as he wishes, a lot of these supposed controversies or attempts to muddy things up appesr to come from a desire. On the part of whoever it is to make online reflect their needs with a total disregard of how that desire might negatively impact other users, or how it would impact the online to have every user doing his own thing, btdt, I know you remember, it wasn't pretty. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Quoting Scooter1836:
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Now you are voting NO on contributions based on the need for a consensus. And my point is there there is no concensus requried since there has been no proven ambuguity.
The documentation those profiles states "Removed anamorphic designation as this does not apply to the main feature on the Blu-ray parent profile, only to the child DVD profile. Also see http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=649083 where there is an agreement on this in the rule interpretation."
I do not see that there is an agreement on this subject on this thread, as well as others, and I have voted "no" to alert the screeners of that fact. exactly the kind of thing I am talking about. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | What absolutely infuriates me is the damage that some users have done to both the rules and the online with absurdity. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: Tian you are 60% correct why would younit include bothe video and audio as it pertsains to the "parent". It willl apply to the bd and be different from the DVD child. And btw your reference to condescension is in your imagination, not factual. Since your reference was probably aimed at me I think I know a but more about it than thew, maybe a small touch of sarcasm. But then I am not one who is pretending that a very clear rule us not clear, it causes some wonderment and some very interesting questions come to mind but I won't go there. I will only point out the powere that profiler has with its online?local design giving the user the ability to manage his data as he wishes, a lot of these supposed controversies or attempts to muddy things up appesr to come from a desire. On the part of whoever it is to make online reflect their needs with a total disregard of how that desire might negatively impact other users, or how it would impact the online to have every user doing his own thing, btdt, I know you remember, it wasn't pretty. I'm sorry but this is very hard to understand. |
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: Quoting Scooter1836:
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Now you are voting NO on contributions based on the need for a consensus. And my point is there there is no concensus requried since there has been no proven ambuguity.
The documentation those profiles states "Removed anamorphic designation as this does not apply to the main feature on the Blu-ray parent profile, only to the child DVD profile. Also see http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=649083 where there is an agreement on this in the rule interpretation."
I do not see that there is an agreement on this subject on this thread, as well as others, and I have voted "no" to alert the screeners of that fact. Well how do you want me to reword that to vote yes then Because those that are not in agreement in this thread are not citing a rule ambiguity, rather a personal preference. So the rule intrepretation is agreed upon since those that are citing that Anamorphic should be are not showing how the rule supports the position. But the thread if full of examples of how the rule supports Anamorphic being off. |
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| Posted: | | | | Of course there can't be agreement even when there is a clear rule. All I see are deliberate obfuscations by the usual suspects. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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