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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Pop quiz
No research, just strictly memory. Who is John Williams and I don't mean the composer.. he is one who could turn up uncredited. Isn't he Sabrina's father? And anyone could turn up uncredited. In what John Wayne movie will you find both Jack Benny and Cary Grant? --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Merrik
I promise a no vote to anyone blindly removing old uncredited data on that basis. As ken said 8 years ago there is gold data in those uncredited, he said 8 years ago. On what basis? Undocumented (hello Mr. Self Proclaimed King of proper documentation) inclusion that was ripped of from IMDB (hello Mr. IMDB is Evil)?? If you want undocumented IMDB ripped off data in your local, be my guest. Don't force it on me though. Ken may have said 8 years ago that there is gold data in uncredited, but he also said, a whole hell of a lot less than 8 years ago that undocumented IMDB cloned uncredited cast CAN be removed. I win. Sorry. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Please note: my response above it not meant to say we should remove the GOOD data. Clint Eastwood should be kept. But he shouldn't be kept in the middle of a bunch of undocumented crap from IMDB. He should be kept, properly documented.
That's what I'm getting at. I'm not going through my local blindly removing uncredited and submitting it. I'm removing the crap that was forced in a long time ago and replacing it with the good stuff that I can document.
(This is all so funny to me 'cause I actually like IMDB and think it could be useful, but it's seen as so evil around here... just gotta roll with the flow I guess). | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Please note: my response above it not meant to say we should remove the GOOD data. Clint Eastwood should be kept. But he shouldn't be kept in the middle of a bunch of undocumented crap from IMDB. He should be kept, properly documented.
That's what I'm getting at. I'm not going through my local blindly removing uncredited and submitting it. I'm removing the crap that was forced in a long time ago and replacing it with the good stuff that I can document.
(This is all so funny to me 'cause I actually like IMDB and think it could be useful, but it's seen as so evil around here... just gotta roll with the flow I guess). The problem, though, is you are in the minority. I've seen many times where people will want to remove whole clumps of uncredited cast with only "looks like an IMDB copy" and I always vote no on those because many times they are flat out wrong. I used to provide links (and at least one time a screenshot) where they were wrong to remove, but now I just vote no. The burden of proof is on the person wanting the removal, and "looks like IMDB" is not good enough for me. Don't get me wrong, I see what you are saying, but 99% of the time there is not the work put in that you would. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Scott - Outside of Uncredited Cast what makes you think the database is currently accurate?
I edit profiles on a daily basis and in the vast majority I find lots of mistakes and/or omissions.
Getting back to the issue of Uncredited Cast, what makes you think this data is NOT accurate? Or, that the documentation is difficult to find?
When I've run into people removing Uncredited Cast, I often research the profile to see if they should be removed.
I've done this for many hundreds of Uncredited Cast and there was only 1 person who I could not find data on.
So, it is my experience that it is easy to find information on Uncredited Cast and would hope that people would take the time to provide this documentation.
I believe the database would be better served if people would contribute the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of easy, undisputed data first before removing other data that might very well be correct. |
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Merrik:
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Please note: my response above it not meant to say we should remove the GOOD data. Clint Eastwood should be kept. But he shouldn't be kept in the middle of a bunch of undocumented crap from IMDB. He should be kept, properly documented.
That's what I'm getting at. I'm not going through my local blindly removing uncredited and submitting it. I'm removing the crap that was forced in a long time ago and replacing it with the good stuff that I can document.
(This is all so funny to me 'cause I actually like IMDB and think it could be useful, but it's seen as so evil around here... just gotta roll with the flow I guess).
The problem, though, is you are in the minority. Story of my happy funtimeing life. Please leave my sexuality out of the conversation please!    | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
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"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm always amused at the fact how Amazon and a host of other DVD 's sites will use IMDB for all their cast and crew means .. but one would hope and suspect that eventually Invelos Profiler should be used for these sites to scrape data off since 'we ' are so perfect in every way .... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Merrik
Don't get me wrong, I understand you and don't forget when Ken made his comments years ago I was supporting clearing the decks and starting uncredited from the beginning. Time and knowledge proved to me that was not a good plan. How do we know nugget when we see one, in the case of Clint Eastwood 50 plus years answers that question. That old uncredited data predates 2005 so by now we may be able to see the nuggets more clearly. But today's extra could be tomorrow's star, we can't immediately. I would say just tread very carefully before attempting to remove old uncredited and please don't do it blindly, just because. I don't think that is asking too much. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Terry
Amazon owns IMDb and have for about 10 years. As I noted IMDb made some changes in their own system and rules after we made our changes...nuff said | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I promise a no vote to anyone blindly removing old uncredited data on that basis. As ken said 8 years ago there is gold data in those uncredited, he said 8 years ago. As I would. Funny thing is that most of the user who don't get it in that thread weren't there when no contribution note were needed for new profile (except Scott, but usually he disagree to disagree so I take his opinion with a grain of salt). Nobody say it isn't better to document the uncredited, what we say is that we can't say for those older profiles if the documenting work was done or not because it wasn't necessary to document the new profile at that time. For one I won't removed informations that people could had works hours to find from the database, but if I don't like or don't trust something I will remove it from my database. Anyway I'm done with that topic as everything is said. | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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 | johnd | | Evening, poetry lovers. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since this seems to have wandered a bit, I'll just re-state my issue:
Submissions are being posted stating that uncredited cast are being removed because:
The submitter can't find supporting information - for all submissions like this that I have voted no for, I have been able to find supporting information within a minute. To me, this means that the submitter did not do any real research.
Looks too much like IMDB - the assumption here is that the information in IMDB came from nowhere, with no providence. This assumption is clearly incorrect. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would vote no, john. Just because as I stated is not acceptable in my book. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting Srehtims:
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You could go to the Intervocative and see if a given profile is there and compare for uncreditede credits..
The link doesn't work. I fixed it although it has been a few years since I logged in. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,376 |
| | Posted: | | | | I thought I would put my thoughts into this as I seem to have been the cause of this current thread.  . I was doing the update because I will be giving ths DVD away as I now have the BD. I had a look at the cast and to me looked exactly like a copy of the IMDB. When johnd voted no I recognised that he wanted the data and it was a grandfathered profile from the Intervocative days and withrew my contribution immediately. I have now submitted a new update with some minor changes to the uncredited tick boxes. If people want this data then I will not stand in their way. I only tackle profiles where the IMDB no longer even says the person is credited. I also do no like to see Scenes deleted or people with no apparent role. I know some time ago I had to fight to keep the late Michael O'hare in D-Tox because the old evidence was with the Intervocative site. I personly add uncredited actors when I can see them in the film myself. Cheers Kelvin | | | | Last edited: by Rutan |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,376 |
| | Posted: | | | | What I am saying is that I made a mistake! And should have done some research before blowing the data away. | | | | Last edited: by Rutan |
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