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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinematics: Quote:
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I'm willing to help if needed.
A far too amusing statement, considering the posts immediately preceding it. made me smile as well........You've got to watch those pandas. Tricksy little beggers, they are!  | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinematics: Quote:
... This becomes a larger concern since you don't actually present a means of getting through these issues; you just defer the problem as "something to be figured out".
 Well I appreciate the confidence that you have in me that I could present a complete solution, but Superman I am not. Just trying to facilitate some "group think." Quoting Kinematics: Quote:
... Frankly, I shouldn't even be spending the time doing that; there are other important things for me to get done. Right, tell me about it.  | | | Thanks for your support.
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mole: Quote:
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Quoting Kathy:
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I'm willing to help if needed.
A far too amusing statement, considering the posts immediately preceding it.
made me smile as well........You've got to watch those pandas. Tricksy little beggers, they are! The funniest part is I have no idea why what I said was amusing.  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
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I will say this though....the fact that the majority vote in this poll are the 'don't care' group it really does support what I said the other day: most users are lazy and selfish and don't care about this program. 
Do you think more people will contribute and help when they are called selfish and lazy? I find this actually a pretty rude comment. Most users paid for the program and it says nowhere that you have to contribute to the database to use it. I am thankful for everybody who submits data for the discs I have in my collection but I would never blame other users for not contributing. Look I've said this before, I appreciate every contribution made. All I am asking is that those who contribute do so with a bit more concern for others and the database as a whole. I am not saying that everyone has to contribute or that more users should get involved. I merely want those that do to be conscientious. Those people who abide by the contribution rules and submit good and useful data will not be offended by my statement. Also, my viewpoint comes from over a decade of contributing and from always doing the absolute most I can on a profile...surely you can understand that when you do something like that and all you see in others is apathy it can get disheartening and frustrating? On occasion that frustration manifests itself as anger. I'll get over it and return to lurking in the forum and doing my contributions as I always have - just as those people who do nothing but like to benefit from the work of others will continue to do nothing. Lastly, I started contributing to the online database because it didn't take me long to realise how much work other people were putting into the profiles I was downloading. I wanted to give something back to the community and the program - as any decent person would in my opinion. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ill start by saying I am probably going to get yelled at.;
I am in the same place as Neill (gulp). He, like myself, remembers the days when scraped data, and user imagined was common place, he also remembers what a mess we ultimately uncovered. The rules were designed with One goal in, to setup a common data entry platform which all users could easily enter the data, free from any imagination or manipulation of that data, simply RAW data and from that raw data each user could easily adjust the data to suit his needs. In addition when a user uploaded his collection anyone would see his data, not the online, when viewing his collection. Very powerful, not perfect but far superior to anything elseout there. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting StaNDarD: Quote:
Well, maybe you could set up more than one standard.
What I mean:
You will have a 'gold status' for a complete profile within the Invelos rules.
Additionally you may have a 'linking gold status' with profiles only containing cast & crew with perfect linking. (Don't tell me, that would double your work - if you're not interested in one of them, leave it alone.) That's actually what I meant when I said sombody would be left out in the cold. Those that use one standard, probably, wouldn't work on the other one. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | My problem is that I don't understand most discussions when it comes to computer stuff. So, I don't feel comfortable offering any suggestions on the technical aspects of this proposal.
What I am comfortable with is the contribution process and I think I have a fairly good understanding of it after lots of "stupid questions" and years of learning from my mistakes.
I have read the forum posting for many years and it seems to me that there are several issues that seems to crop up on a fairly consistent basis.
Some of the issues I will bring up will need to be clarified/approved by invelos since they may differ from the current rules.
Although I'm sure there are others, the ones that come to mind are:
LINKING:
- The ability to identity every Cast/Crew member.
- Capitalization of names.
- Names with accents.
- Names which contains letters/accents etc. which invelos does not recognize.
BIRTH YEARS:
- May be solved if a linking system is implemented.
- Invalid BYs corrupting the database - should be stopped on invelos' end before this occurs.
- BYs can be added/removed without adding to thread.
CLONING:
- Allow/Not
CREW CHART:
- This has more issues than I care to think about but one of the major issues is whether data is allowed or not.
- For example: Some people insist that contribution must exactly match the chart. "Directors" would not be allowed because the chart only list "Director" or "Directed By".
- Or, how do we deal with older films whose credits do not match the chart.
STANDARDIZATION:
- Copy Overview exactly but than Rating Details need to follow capitalization rules.
COMMON SENSE:
- I often see this issue raised when a consensus is not reached. How do we deal with these issues when they inevitably arise?
INVELOS SUPPORT:
- Who will have final say on issues?
- Will invelos delegate the decision making process? Will it remain as is? | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Stan
I will ask a question in s sec, dont take it wrong please.
I am not sure just how easy, or even advisable , to try to run parallel databases. one which follows the rules, and one which is the wild west, no rules Trust me, my friend, those of us that have been around awhile no all. about the latter, it might sound good but it is chaos.
now for the question, why not let profilerr. why trfy and turn it into what it is not and already xialready exists. I use the one that does what you want | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I am not sure just how easy, or even advisable , to try to run parallel databases. This might be one of the very rare cases when I agree with you. It just doesn't make any sense. Unfortunately there aint much we can do untill: 1. We have one Cast & Crew per film, which also allows per profile exeptions. Difficult? Yes. Doable? Yes. 2. Fuctional GUID based linking system 3. Single name field to resolve name parsing issues. 4. MUCH more forum participation from Invelos' side to work out rules etc. 5. Frequently updated rules Before all these are done, it doesn't make much sense to use any effort for bubblegum fixes. At least I'm going to continue to use my time contributing profiles per Invelos rules instead of any parallel 'golden db'. Cast & Crew has been a lost case a looong time ago. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | There I have to disagree kulju. Cast and crew are not thr problem, the problem is generated by those users who believe that reimagining the data is the answer and there is no way it can be. Simply not possible. The online.cannot be all things to all users, we recognized that ten years ago. The online can provide only a template of data that is based on a solid datasource, film credits, etc. Not what any One user thinks it is or should be. The user can take that template of data and mold it to his own desires. There can be no way in which a database can accomodate imagined data except via the parallel concept, which I thinks is bad at best.. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK, sorry, Kathy.. Kinematics & I obviously have the same warped sense of humour....the posts that made us smile were this sequence of three on page 3. Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
....Kill the humans and leave the cats and the world would be a happier place.  Then Lewis_Prothero followed up with: Quote:
Replace "cats" by "dolphins" and I completely agree. And then the big-smiley-Panda rounded it off with: Quote:
I'm willing to help... | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Lol, mole. Since I am a moviephile, I have to add One.
Kill the lawyers. Bangarang. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
There I have to disagree kulju. Cast and crew are not thr problem. There are the one's who get it, and the ones who doesn't. So in your opinion there's nothing wrong how Cast & Crew are handled at the moment? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That I understand, kulju. Havingdeveloped quite a few databases iny time and havind dealt withththe time when re-imagined data was the rule and seeing the constant updates as users changed data frequently to suit themselves, i know that is not the way to go. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Keyboard hates me. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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