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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
Well, as always when you go 'against' the online-db ... "His problem" .. 8)
Well, I think that can be said for anything. If that is the solution, then the existing rules are just perfect.  ... "His problem" .. 8) | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
If the rule is written correctly this wouldn't be a problem. You would go by the order they are listed on the cover...
I think that's the best idea for now. But I would really want a program change for this, so that we can profile more discs within the same UPC/EAN. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Dont golf. Your breath force. Whst you suggest wd tal and ido mean total redesign. The UPC/ean os oye máster key and os ubique yo eatitle,even though for abate ver reasons there are múltiple titles under dame UPC, they are not supposed ro be. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM
I think the rule needs to be changed, and treat all combo packs as box sets, with next to no information in the parent, and all the info in the children. The discs, (for the online) then would not be optional.
Charlie
Hear hear | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Dont golf. Your breath force. Whst you suggest wd tal and ido mean total redesign. The UPC/ean os oye máster key and os ubique yo eatitle,even though for abate ver reasons there are múltiple titles under dame UPC, they are not supposed ro be. I'm sorry. I don't understand a thing. What language is that? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Lol, I am a bad. Typist magnified by using a smartphone that thinks it is smarter than me. to allow what yo to allow what you wish what ca what call for a major complete redesign of the entire program so don't hold your breath UPC symbol is supposed to be unique for each title even know that we know that for whatever reasons a specially overseas it may not be always true 1 UPC may have multiple titles it's not supposed to though. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I think the rule needs to be changed, and treat all combo packs as box sets Personally, I wouldn't care to do it that way. --------------- |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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I think the rule needs to be changed, and treat all combo packs as box sets
Personally, I wouldn't care to do it that way.
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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If the rule is written correctly this wouldn't be a problem. You would go by the order they are listed on the cover...
I think that's the best idea for now.
But I would really want a program change for this, so that we can profile more discs within the same UPC/EAN. This is already supported. You can have as many copies of a UPC/EAN as there are localities. The data base key is Profile ID, not UPC. This is probably still not what you want. By the way, profile IDs can be either of: UPC/EAN.Locality "I" + DiscID.Locality "M" + ManualID.Locality UPC/EAN is 12 or 13 decimal digits DiscID is 16 hexadecimal characters ManualID is a number between 1 and 999999 (I think). You could probably think of ways to extend this ... | | | Thanks for your support.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Lol, I am a bad. No you're not, just too lazy to check your spelling before you hit the send button. Quote:
Typist magnified by using a smartphone that thinks it is smarter than me. Actually I believe it is. Quote:
to allow what yo to allow what you wish what ca what call for a major complete redesign of the entire program so don't hold your breath UPC symbol is supposed to be unique for each title even know that we know that Say what? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting eommen:
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That said, it would also imply changes to all "BluRay+DVD" type of releases out there. Also there, the BR is far from identical in features with respect to the DVD. That would be a lot more changes.
I am not sure why there would be any changes to all Blu-ray+DVD releases as the rules are quite clear on how to handle them...main profile is based on the HD media, with all included media types checked and a child profile for the DVD. The problem with 3D Blu-ray+Blu-ray+DVD releases is that there are two HD media discs included with no provision in the rules telling us which takes precedence. This was in the case of treating releases with multiple media variants as a true movie box set, i.e. a relatively empty parent with data in the subprofiles. If you take that approach a rule adjustment would be in order and to be consistent it would change the current 'BluRay+DVD' approach too. That is what I meant. Of course that isn't the current rule. I wasn't referring to the current rules. My line of reasoning is: look and analyse what's on sale, what is a neat and consistent (!) way to document it in DVDprofiler and (last!) do we need to change the rules or not and/or do we need to ask for a software change. As far as I can see no software change is required. The main 'battle' is between those who'd like the 'movie box set approach' and those who'd like to continue the current practise of parent=HD and subprofile for the DVD. I didn't count both sides, just observing. If we go for the latter, I agree with those that say we need a clear definition like 3D -> BR -> DVD. Following the sequence on the cover print is basically following either Marketing speak or design speak (meaning which sequence produces a nice text lay-out). It makes the profile vulnerable to cover changes at re-releases... we already have enough situations with contributions to enforce the 'original covers' rule. This one wouldn't only be a battle for cover images but also on the whole structure of a profile. It isn't quite like adhering to what's on the actual credit scroll of the movie or what is hardcoded on the disk. Finally, if we have a rule change, I'd like a clean-up of the aforementioned discrepancy between movie box sets and TV series sets. But that's just me. | | | Eric
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote:
This was in the case of treating releases with multiple media variants as a true movie box set, i.e. a relatively empty parent with data in the subprofiles. If you take that approach a rule adjustment would be in order and to be consistent it would change the current 'BluRay+DVD' approach too. That is what I meant. Of course that isn't the current rule. Ah, thank you. I did misunderstand. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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I think the rule needs to be changed, and treat all combo packs as box sets
Personally, I wouldn't care to do it that way. Neither would I as it forces people to download, at least, two profiles when all they want is one. I have quite a few combo sets and I only download the parent profile. While I like to know which Blu-ray set came with a bonus DVD, I honestly don't care about all the details of said bonus DVD and don't need a profile for it. If we were to treat them as true box sets, I would have to download a blank parent and a child profile for the Blu-ray when all I really want is a profile for the item I purchased...the Blu-ray. I am willing to bet that the average user feels the same way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know if I'm an average user, but I feel the same way.
I feel the same way for some "normal box-set's too, where i could use some more info in the parent profile, but people are removing the info from the parent instead. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can understand it... and agree with Martian when it comes to same film on different formats.
But for regular box sets... I want it the way it is now. Next to nothing in the parent profile. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
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Quoting CharlieM:
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I think the rule needs to be changed, and treat all combo packs as box sets
Personally, I wouldn't care to do it that way.
Neither would I as it forces people to download, at least, two profiles when all they want is one. I have quite a few combo sets and I only download the parent profile. While I like to know which Blu-ray set came with a bonus DVD, I honestly don't care about all the details of said bonus DVD and don't need a profile for it.
If we were to treat them as true box sets, I would have to download a blank parent and a child profile for the Blu-ray when all I really want is a profile for the item I purchased...the Blu-ray. I am willing to bet that the average user feels the same way. I am not sure about the average. But one thing is absolutely clear in my mind is we have to keep these additional profiles as optional. I use the child profiles, but many do not and those of us that do use the child profiles need to always remember that so we do not lessen the usefulness of the profiles to those users. Many do not use them because the cast/crew counts are off when you have the cast/crew in each of the optional profiles. That is also one reason I have been reluctant to argree that the 3D disc should be the parent since in the vast majority of cases the 3D disc does not have the features or the audio/subs and many times are different than the Blu-ray. So if the 3D disc is the parent the users that do not like the optional profiles will always have to modify the parent. And we already have been told to merge color and dimensions. So in the case where there are multiple discs of HD content it seems to me the parent should be the union of the HD content. Mainly so those users that do not like child profiles will have a single profile that reflects what is in the HD content for the release. In the interractions in the Contributions Rules committee forum that was the concensus. |
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