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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | If only we had some kind of possibility to track the occasional "oddball" crew credit in our local database - credits that really can't be entered per the rules, but of which we still feel they're worth tracking.
Oh wait, we already have that possibility... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
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Sounds a lot like using common sense. I'd wish that the rules actually said that it was allowed... 
The point that I was trying to make is that he is in fact using a "common sense interpretation of the rule depending on the film". I was just trying to get him to admit it, which he basically did. You were trying to get me to admit something I had already said prior to you asking your question? You could have saved us all some time had you simply read the entire thread.  Quote:
I am still left scratching my head how (among other things) he reasons that "50%" and "half" mean two different things. I get very confused reading these forums sometimes! Please try actually reading what I wrote. I never said that 50% and half mean two different things. You gave an example, I gave a reply, and you tried to make it seem like that reply was a hard and fast number with your "if the film is two hours long and the "sequence director's" sequence is 56 minutes, then it should not be included" comment. I don't know why you are trying to twist my words around, but I am done playing with you.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
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As I said in the post you responded to, and the one I linked to in that post, it would depend on the film.
Sounds a lot like using common sense. I'd wish that the rules actually said that it was allowed... The rules may not allow it but, per Gerri, it is allowed. She said, basically, that we don't have to include every single credit. Partial cast lists are allowed as are partial crew lists. If I don't feel a particular credit deserves to be entered, even if I feel the rules allow it, I don't have to enter it. If someone else does, as I said in an earlier post, I would not vote against it. In this case, I feel both directors can and should be included. I might not feel the same in another case. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Grendell:
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The point that I was trying to make is that he is in fact using a "common sense interpretation of the rule depending on the film". I was just trying to get him to admit it, which he basically did.
You were trying to get me to admit something I had already said prior to you asking your question? You could have saved us all some time had you simply read the entire thread. Isn't interpreting the rules depending on the film applying double standards? |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am going to post part of a pm I sent someone that I feel is relevant to the topic at hand:
"As long as the database is being built by an international community, the confusion is an intrinsic part of the equation and will always be there. Unless of course it changes to one person doing everything.
It will not matter how carefully and thorough the rules are written because people always have to interpret those rules.
For example, look at the I Spy, I-Spy or I-Spy(I Spy) thread. People view how this title should be applied differently.
All sides point to the rules and have legitimate rationale for their viewpoint.
Or, take a recent example I submitted: The Rains Came: US profile UPC 024543208181. I updated the Crew data. Roger Heman won the Academy Award for Special Effects. The problem? He is listed in the end credits slightly differently than the "rules" outline. Should he not get this credit? Here is my documentation:
Crew:
- 3.5 data updated: Costume Designer and Visual Effects. Please note that the credits read "Special Effects staged by Fred Sersen". Since he won the Oscar for Special Effects I felt it appropriate to credit him.
Should the rules be re-written every time a credit does not exactly match them? They would end up being hundreds of thousands of pages long and completely useless.
Instead, we have the rules. We then can check Ken and Gerri's pinned statements. Finally, on the rare situations that fall outside these standards, we deal with them on an individual basis." | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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The point that I was trying to make is that he is in fact using a "common sense interpretation of the rule depending on the film". I was just trying to get him to admit it, which he basically did.
You were trying to get me to admit something I had already said prior to you asking your question? You could have saved us all some time had you simply read the entire thread.
Isn't interpreting the rules depending on the film applying double standards? Maybe I am reading what the Martian said wrong... and if I am he can correct me. But What I believe he is saying is that he believes the credit is always allowed per Rules... the only thing he uses his judgment on is when he himself contributes it. And he also said he wouldn't vote no if someone else contributes it as he believes the rules allows for it. So using the fact that Ken and Gerri said it is fine to contribute partial contributions he has the right to contribute it for only the ones he wants to. Since he said he wouldn't vote no anytime someone else contributes it.... it is not a double standard at all as he does believe per rules it is allowed. Am I reading you right Martian?? | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Am I reading you right Martian?? Indeed you are. Thanks for saving me some time. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Am I reading you right Martian??
Indeed you are. Thanks for saving me some time. Ok, then I understand. I took it to mean that you decided on a case by case basis when to include them even though they were technically not allowed. So, I take back what I said. You're not using common sense.  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
So, I take back what I said. You're not using common sense. That very well may be the case.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | I guess it makes more sense to me now as well, I was genuinely confused with a lot of the back and forth that was going on and I was trying to get at what the intentions were. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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