Like i said i am just looking for something solid I can sink my teeth into, and most of what I see is pretty lame. You have brought one very intriguing example, Alien.

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Dawn of the Dead is a good example where a different cut makes it a different movie. Argento cut the movie the way he wanted it and also used different music and gave it a different title.

But that is very rare, Dark. The only other movie similar in nature that comes to mind is Legend, which involved two totally different Musical Scores. I hope somebody throws me something compelling.  These are not the same thing as Bonus Film per the rules, though in some rare instances as has been noted some of these could be argued as a " different" film. Blade Runner is not an exception to the rule, it CE3K and so forth are creatures unto themselves, we even kind of laid the groundwork for these in the section which talks about branching releases and we use the LONGEST version for our data...why would Blade runner not go into that since you are trying to create a loophole. It's closer in nature to the seamless branching title of the time, T2, than it is trying to compare it to the two Ben-Hurs.

The part that makes me sad, personally is that a lot of times these discussions are very predictable, one ploy has already been played and sure the other one will be too, but i hope not.

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I am trying to figure out which Blade Runner we are talking about.

All of the ones I have seen have a disk of featurettes
                                                        enhancements
                                                          disk of Final Cut
                                                          workprint
                                                          Archives
or 4 four disc sets  workprint and archives on one disc.

They are not five discs with individual movies.  Three of the movies are on 1 disc in 5 disk set and 4 movies on 1 disc for 4 disc set.  This is not like CE3 30th which is actually a movie per disc (at least in DVD format)

am I missing a copy?

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You mean seamless branching. If that's true see the Rules.

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I know the original theatrical release of Blade Runner and virtually all subsequent releases are different films. To have a film with a narrator, then to remove all of the narration makes a completely different film, even if everything else remained exactly the same (which, in fact, it did not).

We know that the three first Star Wars films were re-edited, including many CGI effects (and Solo shooting second), making them separate films. And how does editing out guns, replacing them with walkie talkies not significantly alter ET?

When a film is re-edited, changing its content, it is a new film, often covered by a new copyright date. These are different films, sharing many of the same qualities (title, director, most cast and crew).

I suggest we settle this soon, because when the newly restored Metropolis hits DVD/Blu-ray, I wonder if older edited versions might be included in some fancy editions?

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I am sorry but those are not specific examples. The rules say: "Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:". This clearly says that the given examples are only some and not the only kind of bonus film. There is no way the wording "some" can be understood as "specific".

You are exactly correct.  As I said earlier, the use of the word 'some' leaves the door wide open and negates any argument about specificity.

In addition, the rule uses the term 'single release'.  That means the release of a single film.  Aren't all these examples single releases?  I mean, they are all the same exact film, right?

Here is my last word on this...at least I hope it is my last word on this...the Bonus Feature Film rule was added, by Ken, on September 27, 2007.  Since he added it, he is the only one who knows the 'clear intent' behind it.  If he would like to chime in, I would be happy to abide by his clarification.  Absent his clarification, however, I will have to abide by the rule as written and, as written...no loophole, imaginary or otherwise, needed...Bonus Feature Film profiles are allowed for these single releases.  JMHO.

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I am sorry but those are not specific examples. The rules say: "Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:". This clearly says that the given examples are only some and not the only kind of bonus film. There is no way the wording "some" can be understood as "specific".

You are exactly correct.  As I said earlier, the use of the word 'some' leaves the door wide open and negates any argument about specificity.

In addition, the rule uses the term 'single release'.  That means the release of a single film.  Aren't all these examples single releases?  I mean, they are all the same exact film, right?

Here is my last word on this...at least I hope it is my last word on this...the Bonus Feature Film rule was added, by Ken, on September 27, 2007.  Since he added it, he is the only one who knows the 'clear intent' behind it.  If he would like to chime in, I would be happy to abide by his clarification.  Absent his clarification, however, I will have to abide by the rule as written and, as written...no loophole, imaginary or otherwise, needed...Bonus Feature Film profiles are allowed for these single releases.  JMHO.

I have to disagree with you, Martian. it is only open to interpretation by selectivereading, NOT a reading in it's entirety. Read in its enitirety the meaning is very clear. A selective read gives your loophole. a complete reading does not allow for the loophole.

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Because as it stands now...it's outside the Rules.

This statement is out and out incorrect!

I want a ruling on this!!!!   

I agree, that it is a benefit to have child profiles for the different cuts, as box set or bonus film. It would be easy to add this: Just adding on the part of the rules that this also is "for a different cut of a film on different disc.

But then we shouldn't mix it up!
Either treating like box set or treating like a bonus film (depending on our normal decision factors).
But never as box set with full-filled parent.