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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: No Personal attacks | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: I have already explained this several times. To put it simply if you really believe taht 1//23 to 1/2/3 would be simple then you know absolutely nothing about names. That hypothesis is simply preposterous.
Sorry to be blunt but I know now other way, because your comment is outrageous.
Skip You would go into cast or crew edit, copy the first word of the last name and paste it int he middle name box. If necessary, you would then remove any extraneous spaces. You would then submit all the profiles in which the cast or crew member in question appeared and copy and paste your explanation of why. The process for converting the other way is almost identical. Neither can be said to be easier. I submit what's best is to submit whatever form is most likely to be correct and suggest that you are easily outraged. To give a bit of credence to you though, there is conflicting evidence. The cast for The Pledge seems to be alphabetical and she is under P. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: To give a bit of credence to you though, there is conflicting evidence. The cast for The Pledge seems to be alphabetical and she is under P. That's probably because the person who entered the credits didn't know how to parse it, so went with '1/2/3'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: To give a bit of credence to you though, there is conflicting evidence. The cast for The Pledge seems to be alphabetical and she is under P. That's probably because the person who entered the credits didn't know how to parse it, so went with '1/2/3'. Then again, maybe he did. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Ace:
That means positively NOTHING. It is not uncommon for women, in the states , to move their maiden name to the middle name slot, so yes you are GUESSING, plain and simple. you have no basis in fact and truy as hard as I have I have not been able to find a conclusive answer one way or the other, all I can find is a mixed bag.. So don't guess, Ace, not if you are really interested in accurate data. And as I have said as a starting point 1/2/3 may not be accurate, but in most cases documenting a 1//23 is going to be easier than proving a middle name in ANY case, unless there is someplce wher we could access some document filled out by ther person LISTING a middle name and since a 1//23 would have to apply unibersally James//Earl jones...NO!!!!!!!!!!! That's just STUPID. Tommy//Lee Jones...Hah.
Don't GUESS, Ace. The 1/2/3 is merely a start point that we can themn move to something else as documented. I have even some data that indicates that it should be RW//P. , which I ain't buyin for a sec.
You clearly euither don't want to understand a start point or you simply want to let everybody do whatever they want and then the only result we will get is a continuing broken link system. Which makes your suggestiion something less than smart. i don't which it is, Ace but neither reflect positively.
Skip We don't have a default parsing. Every case is different. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: I accept the default 1/2/3, regardles of whatever I might believe to be true because i can't verify anything., and 1/2/3 is the more neutral position. There is no default and 1/2/3 is not neutral. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, that is the first intelligent thingyou have said, Rho. But if you expect users to to research a name in order to contribute the data, then you will five Contributirs, if you are lucky. that is why a default is needed. It's too bad that you show so little understanding and that your only function is to come here and be disagreeable on everything you choose to offer your insight to. I am shocked you have not figured out how to include functional equivalents in this discussion. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: To put it simply if you really believe taht 1//23 to 1/2/3 would be simple then you know absolutely nothing about names. Aha, you have no explanation. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I have indeed explained it several times, rho. I am not goingb to go through it again dfor you and ace, the information is here. I presume you can read and find it, Rho, but I simply won't go through it again, all you have done is demonstarte a lack of knowledge relative to names and how they are handled in variouys parts of the world, plus documenntation issues. Get back to me if you ever figure it out. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: I have indeed explained it several times, rho. I am not goingb to go through it again dfor you and ace, the information is here. The information is nowhere. You asserted that is it more easy to document 1//23 from 1/2/3 than to document 1/2/3 from 1//23, but gave no explanation for this except the "lack of knowledge" of those who do not agree with this unfunded affirmation. In fact, the only way to be sure is to find official documents with names written as : Kristin SCOTT THOMAS or Scott Thomas, Kristin Tommy Lee JONES or Jones, Tommy Lee That works exactly the same to document in a way or the other. It is tiresome to try to discuss with you as you always assert without any explanation, than insult people that do not bow down in front of your infinite knowledge... | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: I think I will wait and see if Sam can get a response. I have dug and dug and dug some more and I can't find a substantive conclusion. Good luck, Sam.
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IMDB opps heresy Huh< I thought Sam was sending an e-mail to her agent or something.<scratching head> Yep, that;s what he said all right. So where does IMDb come into that.
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Im saying what a sane world we would live in if we could just accept IMDB as a source. We can, but not as the only source.
Lots of their data is good, but not all of it. Look at Robin Wright Penn's bio page, it lists San Diego as the town she grew up in. I know for a fact that she lived in Woodland Hills as a teenager. Her older brother (Richard Wright) and my younger brother were friends in high-school. My brother has been dead for twelve years and I have not talked to Richard for longer or I would ask him.
pdf Yeah IMDB is not 100% accurate but i don't mind that. If your going to have an online database you need an online source and IMDB is frankly the best you can get. Certainly i think a slight bit of minor inaccuracy here and there is worth it to end these ridiculous threads of multiple pages discussing the parsing of someone name. It is honestly not that relevant such things in the grand scheme of things. | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | In the German National Library she's listed as "Wright Penn, Robin" https://portal.d-nb.de/opac.htm?query=atr%3D122405609+OR+nid%3D122405609+OR+swRef%3D122405609&method=simpleSearchTogether with the screenshot it would be enough for me to go with Robin//Wright Penn. If she's not listed with full name all I've seen was, that she was written as Ms. Wright Penn, so I don't know if it's other in the US, but in Germany it's always: Ms. "Last Name" As she's born as "Wright" and got the name "Penn" added according to marriage it "just" could be this one cultural specific to make us go another way. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Alba:
No database is ever going to be 100% but Imdb is not even close, 60% might be giving them too much credit but i'll go with that. What I do know is that from my own experience, they are the absol;ute WORST I have ever seen.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: No Personal Attacks | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: In the German National Library she's listed as "Wright Penn, Robin"
https://portal.d-nb.de/opac.htm?query=atr%3D122405609+OR+nid%3D122405609+OR+swRef%3D122405609&method=simpleSearch
Together with the screenshot it would be enough for me to go with Robin//Wright Penn.
If she's not listed with full name all I've seen was, that she was written as Ms. Wright Penn, so I don't know if it's other in the US, but in Germany it's always: Ms. "Last Name"
As she's born as "Wright" and got the name "Penn" added according to marriage it "just" could be this one cultural specific to make us go another way. It maybe for you Virus but not for me. You guys have made such a big deal of the cultural issue, i can't help but wonder if like the BFI listing, they are not basing it anything factual bbut a presumption based on how it would be handled because of the culture, and she is not german. So, this is something that I might at one time accepted, but I have dounbts based soley on the way the cuture issue seems to be observed...blindly. I would need to see what they base their conclusion on. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Alba:
No database is ever going to be 100% but Imdb is not even close, 60% might be giving them too much credit but i'll go with that. What I do know is that from my own experience, they are the absol;ute WORST I have ever seen.
Skip I highly doubt it's that bad given we used it on Spot for doing cast and crew lists. It was simple it was streamlined it was as close to perfect as you can get without trying to f everything up to make it even more perfect. I think that's the problem here is you guys or at least one guy has forgotten the fundamentals and what should be the main focus for this database and contributing to it. In the process of trying to get to this higher perfection you have f up a lot of the good stuff and scared away many who might or have used this program. Honestly what kind of message do you think it sends when we have page after page with no solid answer on the phrasing of one persons name. The database is bigger than that so who cares if it's not 100% right. I can most certainly live with a couple of names not phrased right. The only thing that would perhaps bother me would be the spelling that's it. | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
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