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Just a small example.  What is the difference between the last episode of season six of '24' and the recently released made for TV movie '24: Redemption'?

If you can't see the difference between these and movies based on Shakespearean plays, I don't know what to say.


TV show and TV movie are products for TV broadcast, film are for Theatrical Releases... different rating, credits and so on.
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Just a small example.  What is the difference between the last episode of season six of '24' and the recently released made for TV movie '24: Redemption'?

If you can't see the difference between these and movies based on Shakespearean plays, I don't know what to say.


TV show and TV movie are products for TV broadcast, film are for Theatrical Releases... different rating, credits and so on.


So the rating system is what's important here????? 
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If the credit had simply read: "Star Trek Created By..." I could see the argument for using it, but it says "Based On Star Trek..." and that makes all the difference: either OCB or OMB is the right credit to give.

the credit reads:
  • Based on Star Trek Created by Gene Roddenberry

  • What is the meaning of this?
  • The movie is based on Star Trek
  • Star Trek is creation of Gene Roddenberry
  • if that is not a credit for Created by?


    So Star Trek is created by Gene Roddenberry. Fine, but that is not what this is about.

    The movie is based on Star Trek, but that does not necessarily imply and the credits do not say that Gene Roddenberry created this particular movie. That may well be the case, but we are concerned with the credits, not with facts. 
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    Just a small example.  What is the difference between the last episode of season six of '24' and the recently released made for TV movie '24: Redemption'?

    If you can't see the difference between these and movies based on Shakespearean plays, I don't know what to say.


    TV show and TV movie are products for TV broadcast, film are for Theatrical Releases... different rating, credits and so on.


    So the rating system is what's important here????? 


    No it's about the credits, the keyword is different 
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    The difference here is that you are talking about moveis based on literary works.

    That analogy does not apply in this case.


    Sure it does.  The notes for OCB read (bold by me): Used for screenplays based on characters from another work, credit the author of the characters here. For example comic adaptations and sequels.

    'Another work' means ANY other work, not just literary.  To further emphasise that point, the note includes 'sequels' which, by definition, are based on another FILM.  Certainly NOT a literary work.
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    Exactly. Why does the medium of the original make any difference? We make no differentiation between books, plays, musicals - why should we make a difference just because it's based on a TV show?


    Why?  Because this is 'Star Trek' and, for some reason, it has to be treated 'special'.
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    Exactly. Why does the medium of the original make any difference? We make no differentiation between books, plays, musicals - why should we make a difference just because it's based on a TV show?


    Why?  Because this is 'Star Trek' and, for some reason, it has to be treated 'special'.


    It is not just Star Trek.

    If I saw this same credit for any "follow-on" movie to a TV series, such as the Stargate movies or the X-Files movies or '24', I'd handle exactly the same way.  They are a "continuation" of the series and the producers obviously felt that Roddenberry (or whomever) deserved to be credited with the "Creation" of that series in that film, which is an extension of the series.
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    If I saw this same credit for any "follow-on" movie to a TV series, such as the Stargate movies or the X-Files movies or '24', I'd handle exactly the same way.  They are a "continuation" of the series and the producers obviously felt that Roddenberry (or whomever) deserved to be credited with the "Creation" of that series in that film, which is an extension of the series.


    hal9g,
    if you don't believe me follow this link: http://www.wgaeast.org/index.php?id=90
    the Writer Guild of America follow two differen manuals to determine the credits for TV show/movie and films, there is a Screen Credits Manual and a Television Credits Manual.
    Now I know that we have our rules, but our rules I think that are based on the credit system that they have build, they have decided who is a writer, what is a screen story, who is a creator of a TV show and the meaning of "Written by", "Based on Characters Created by", "Adaptation by" and so on...

    The fact is that TV show/movie are different from film.
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    If I saw this same credit for any "follow-on" movie to a TV series, such as the Stargate movies or the X-Files movies or '24', I'd handle exactly the same way.  They are a "continuation" of the series and the producers obviously felt that Roddenberry (or whomever) deserved to be credited with the "Creation" of that series in that film, which is an extension of the series.


    hal9g,
    if you don't believe me follow this link: http://www.wgaeast.org/index.php?id=90
    the Writer Guild of America follow two differen manuals to determine the credits for TV show/movie and films, there is a Screen Credits Manual and a Television Credits Manual.
    Now I know that we have our rules, but our rules I think that are based on the credit system that they have build, they have decided who is a writer, what is a screen story, who is a creator of a TV show and the meaning of "Written by", "Based on Characters Created by", "Adaptation by" and so on...

    The fact is that TV show/movie are different from film.


    Never said I didn't beleive you.

    The point is that credits in DVDP are not based on the Writers Guild of America.
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    Never said I didn't beleive you.

    The point is that credits in DVDP are not based on the Writers Guild of America.


    OK, then the DVDP credits rules match the WGA rules except for the specific credit "created by"? 

    It only a coincidence?
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    Yes it would be a coincidence, we use the film/show credits, we used NO outside reference material for profiler purposes.

    Our focus is only on what the screen data tells usand how/IF it applies to profiler.

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    It is not just Star Trek.

    If I saw this same credit for any "follow-on" movie to a TV series, such as the Stargate movies or the X-Files movies or '24', I'd handle exactly the same way.  They are a "continuation" of the series and the producers obviously felt that Roddenberry (or whomever) deserved to be credited with the "Creation" of that series in that film, which is an extension of the series.


    Sorry, but no.  They are not a 'continuation' of the series.  As the credit clearly states, they are 'based on the series'.  All the producers did, with this credit, is tell us what the movie was based on and who created that material.
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    It is not just Star Trek.

    If I saw this same credit for any "follow-on" movie to a TV series, such as the Stargate movies or the X-Files movies or '24', I'd handle exactly the same way.  They are a "continuation" of the series and the producers obviously felt that Roddenberry (or whomever) deserved to be credited with the "Creation" of that series in that film, which is an extension of the series.


    Sorry, but no.  They are not a 'continuation' of the series.  As the credit clearly states, they are 'based on the series'.  All the producers did, with this credit, is tell us what the movie was based on and who created that material.


    Only someone who has not actually watched the movies (or the series, or both) would claim that they are not a continuation/extension of the TV series. 
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    Only someone who has not actually watched the movies (or the series, or both) would claim that they are not a continuation/extension of the TV series. 


    I don't know why you persist in making these kinds of statements, when you clearly don't posess the knowledge required to make them.

    Not only have I seen the original Star Trek,  I have watched every film and series that was based on it.  I have also read books, comic books and played most of the computer games based on them.

    Sorry, but that was a rather pathetic attempt at trying to discredit my opinion which doesn't change the fact that what we have here is a credit that reads "Based on".  In every other case, that credit gets an OCB entry in Profiler.  This credit should be no different.

    In addition, the fact that it might be a continuation/extension of the TV series changes nothing.  'Continuation' and 'extention' are are the definition of 'sequel'.  Where, in the rules, is the word 'sequel' used?  Oh that's right, in the notes for OCB. 
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    There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
    Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
    The Centauri learned this lesson once.
    We will teach it to them again.
    Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
    - Citizen G'Kar
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    Only someone who has not actually watched the movies (or the series, or both) would claim that they are not a continuation/extension of the TV series. 


    I don't know why you persist in making these kinds of statements, when you clearly don't posess the knowledge required to make them.

    Not only have I seen the original Star Trek,  I have watched every film and series that was based on it.  I have also read books, comic books and played most of the computer games based on them.

    Sorry, but that was a rather pathetic attempt at trying to discredit my opinion which doesn't change the fact that what we have here is a credit that reads "Based on".  In every other case, that credit gets an OCB entry in Profiler.  This credit should be no different.

    In addition, the fact that it might be a continuation/extension of the TV series changes nothing.  'Continuation' and 'extention' are are the definition of 'sequel'.  Where, in the rules, is the word 'sequel' used?  Oh that's right, in the notes for OCB. 


    And the Notes mean nothing when it comes to determining if the actual credit matches the one that is in the crew table under the allowable columns.  An OCB credit is NOT allowed under the current Rules.

    You're the one that made the statement that these movies are not continuations of the TV series, not me.  It is simply inconceivable to me that anyone who makes such a statement either could have watched the movies and series OR they are simply being disingenuous in an attempt to argue their point.  Since you claim that you have watched them , then that only leaves me to believe the latter.

    And OBTW, Since when does a credit of "Based a Novel by" get an OCB credit? 

    Obviously, this statement is totally incorrect:

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    ...we have here is a credit that reads "Based on".  In every other case, that credit gets an OCB entry in Profiler
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