Quoting Nadja:

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... But I don't believe this IS an unfriendly place, at least in general. I certainly don't see a pattern of newbie abuse, just the opposite, in fact...

Here, I disagree with you. If you think comments like the following ones can make those forums friendly, I don't think so.

Quoting X

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I don't want to jump on a newby, but for someone who only registered here 2 days ago, you've already posted 8 different Feature Request messages  ...  I think it's a little presumptuous to expect messages to fit your narrow definition of what's "on topic."

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So he can have another example to showhow DVD Profiler is an inadequate program, of course. .

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Based on your insulting comment, I have to think that you have a lot of dupes because you are running a store and see Profiler as perhaps a way to do it on the cheap.

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Just in case you have not figured it out neither the program nor the Community will bend to your view.

All those comments are about perfectly valid requests. After that, it's not surprising if answers may seem rude.

Quoting dav4is:

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DictateHow could anyone possible construe my words as a desire to dictate anything?

I already went over this in a previous post and you indicated you didn't care, but since you asked...

The reason some of us feel you're trying to dictate how things should be is because of your choice of words. Phrases like:

"I wanted to lay out some ground rules"
"Each work must"
"DVDP needs to recognize"

As well as your fondness for using "need to" or "must have" in your requests.

Again, I know you're loathe to use less demanding phrases, but at least you now know where all the hostility is coming from and why people may feel that you're trying to dictate things. If you don't care to change your ways, then don't be surprised if our attitudes remain the same also.

As have been said before, mostly it's not your suggestions, it's how you suggest them.

Also, goblinsdoitall has a point. You mentioned that you're an experienced programmer, and you've made it clear that your primary focus when participating in these forums is the improve the program, so why not start developing plugins?

You would have full control over how your proposal is implemented, and doing it yourself will in most cases prove a faster way of getting what you want than waiting for Ken to do it.

KM

Quoting goblinsdoitall:

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The shoe doesn't quite fit me...

I never said you were among people barking at newbies. I gave examples, in my last answer to Nadja, of posts from X and Y,  that made dav4is react as he did. Perhaps he overreacted, but I personally know how you feel when you are treated as he has been.The following posts were the result of bites to a newby who decided to defend himself.

As for you, I thought you had understood that judging somebody only through some words is not always appropriate, specially in an international forums where english is not everyone's language. On the contrary, some other users' attitude may be judged through thousands of posts, among which the large majority are personal attacks.

For me, the problem is not to be sympathic or not, it is to bring here some new ideas that can help Ken to improve his program. But also in that area, I know what you risk not following the crowd.

Quoting surfeur51:

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All those comments are about perfectly valid requests. After that, it's not surprising if answers may seem rude.

Um, all four of those comments deal with the new user's ATTITUDE, not his requests. And quite frankly, four quotations aimed at a single user who has stated that he has no intention of being sociable are hardly indications of a pattern of newbie abuse. Just responses to one single guy who gets people's backs up (and having had the issues explained to him in great depth, is now very much in deliberate rudeness territory.)

Besides, two of those quotations are Skip's, and he's hardly the typical user. Quoting Skip in order to paint the forums as aggressive is like quoting George W. Bush to make all Americans look stupid. It's just not accurate and it's certainly not fair. Please don't let these half-dozen people you don't like ruin your fun here, deal with stuff as it comes, move past it and just enjoy yourself! That's not to say just ignore what people say completely and go about things however you feel like doing them, this thread is a fine example of how that DOESN'T work, but there has to be somewhere inbetween.

I'm not going to give the lame "if you don't like it here why do you come?" line, because we all have a reason, or even a need, and certainly a right to be here in these forums. But if you're letting small blemishes colour your experience here, you really are taking it too close to heart. And if you're judging the whole community experience based these half-dozen users, then you're really doing a disservice to everyone else, and you're giving those half-dozen too much power over you. There are dozens of active users, it's unfair to claim that the whole place is unfriendly based on a small few. A few bad apples don't HAVE to spoil the barrel.

The quotations you gave are out of context and you're trying to apply them in a way which they were not intended. Maybe it just loses something in translation, but if not, this is a little on the FUD side, please don't falsely contextualise people's comments.

Quoting Nadja:

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Quoting surfeur51:

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All those comments are about perfectly valid requests. After that, it's not surprising if answers may seem rude.

Um, all four of those comments deal with the new user's ATTITUDE, not his requests. And quite frankly, four quotations aimed at a single user who has stated that he has no intention of being sociable are hardly indications of a pattern of newbie abuse. Just responses to one single guy who gets people's backs up (and having had the issues explained to him in great depth, is now very much in deliberate rudeness territory.)

Besides, two of those quotations are Skip's, and he's hardly the typical user. Quoting Skip in order to paint the forums as aggressive is like quoting George W. Bush to make all Americans look stupid. It's just not accurate and it's certainly not fair. Please don't let these half-dozen people you don't like ruin your fun here, deal with stuff as it comes, move past it and just enjoy yourself! That's not to say just ignore what people say completely and go about things however you feel like doing them, this thread is a fine example of how that DOESN'T work, but there has to be somewhere inbetween.

I'm not going to give the lame "if you don't like it here why do you come?" line, because we all have a reason, or even a need, and certainly a right to be here in these forums. But if you're letting small blemishes colour your experience here, you really are taking it too close to heart. And if you're judging the whole community experience based these half-dozen users, then you're really doing a disservice to everyone else, and you're giving those half-dozen too much power over you. There are dozens of active users, it's unfair to claim that the whole place is unfriendly based on a small few. A few bad apples don't HAVE to spoil the barrel.

The quotations you gave are out of context and you're trying to apply them in a way which they were not intended. Maybe it just loses something in translation, but if not, this is a little on the FUD side, please don't falsely contextualise people's comments.

I, for one, am not tarring the entire user community with the same brush. I fully realize that the 5 or 6 "troublesome" correspondents are atypical, and I'm not allowing them to have any power over me -- much to their distress, I think.

I do worry about all the quiet folks. I'm sure that all this squabbling has an effect on their perception of the rest of us. I just hope that they can see through the smoke and mirrors -- the exaggerations and distortions, the twisting of words -- and ascertain the truth of the matter for themselves.

Was this in "deliberate rudeness territory?"

Quoting skipnet50:

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... As for my friend surfeur, he believes he is put upon and abused and there is no changing that. I am sad that he wants to waste so much energy on hatred.

Skip

Ah Skip, he loves you, you're still not in his Forum Block as some of us are

Quoting Nadja:

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Quoting Skip in order to paint the forums as aggressive is like quoting George W. Bush to make all Americans look stupid.

OK, I agree with you. And for me, it will end the discussion here, as I have much more interesting things to do on my database with custom headshots...

Quoting kdh1949:

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I realize you, surfeur, don't find this place very friendly.  Perhaps you should look in the mirror and consider why it is so.  When you jump into thread after thread just so you can show your disrespect for certain other users, without really adding anything positive to the discussion, you need not be surprised if people aren't "friendly" toward you.

User dav4is has said more than once that he doesn't care what people think of him.  So why should you?

Well, I see.  There has been a long time since I gave you a green arrow, and you are barking for your piece of sugar.

Done. Another green arrow for you...