Let me clairfy something....I NEVER stated that Skip had changed his mind on this matter.
Both Skip and Tim have jumped to that conclusion!
On the contrary I freely admitted that I could not remember who it was who had told me that Supervising Producers should be included.

I simply stated that I had been told by someone with 'weight' (which would have been via PM) that SPs were to be included. I was also told that the forum had made a decision on the matter.

I will admit that I did NOT do a forum search to verify that information - I simply took the person at their word (once again reinforcing my belief that it was someone 'to be trusted').

From now on I will NOT be including SPs in my newly edited profiles until this matter is resolved.

HOWEVER....I still don't understand why this forum has any weight at all? Why should forum 'consensus' dictate what we all do?

I recently said to Skip that I feel all 'forum decisions' should be ignored and we should go by the rules - until the rules are corrected/clarified.

For someone like me; who really can't be bothered with the forum most of the time anymore, the ever-changing decisions in the forum simply lead to confusion and an increase in my editing workload.

Enough already!    

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HOWEVER....I still don't understand why this forum has any weight at all? Why should forum 'consensus' dictate what we all do?

I recently said to Skip that I feel all 'forum decisions' should be ignored and we should go by the rules - until the rules are corrected/clarified.

Absolutely correct!

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HOWEVER....I still don't understand why this forum has any weight at all? Why should forum 'consensus' dictate what we all do?

I recently said to Skip that I feel all 'forum decisions' should be ignored and we should go by the rules - until the rules are corrected/clarified.

Absolutely correct!

Except where the rules leave room for different interpretations. In those cases a forum consensus or better a clarification from Invelos can help.

Absolutely correct!

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NOT a forum consensus IMO.

I personally feel we should stay confused until Ken/Invelos clarify a situation.

I agree with that, at least in theory, but more often than not it just doesn't happen. The only one I can remember in recent weeks is that time with the Sandra Bullock alias, and that was probably just to stop the madness.

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consensus - noun - majority of opinion, the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned

All opinions aside, this qualifies as a consensus.

However, that does not make it a Rule, so it is meaningless even it is a consensus
(which I don't consider it to be in spite of your particular chosen definition).

The American Heritage Dictionary:

consensus (n.) An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole:“Among political women . . . there is a clear consensus about the problems women candidates have traditionally faced” (Wendy Kaminer)
consensus (n.) General agreement or accord: government by consensus.

No mention of a simple majority!

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However, that does not make it a Rule, so it is meaningless even it is a consensus
(which I don't consider it to be in spite of your particular chosen definition).

I didn't see anybody claim it was a rule. 

As for it being my 'chosen definition', it wasn't.  It came from two different sources.

M-w.com: the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned

Dictionary.com: majority of opinion: The consensus of the group was that they should meet twice a month.

Are you trying to say that those are not valid definitions? 

I never said it was not a valid definition.

You used it as though it were the only definition and then concluded based on that one definition that this poll was in fact a concensus.

In my world, the word concensus has never been synonomous with "simple majority".  I doubt that there is a concensus that they are.

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Hal, you are correct, a poll doesn't replace a rule.
But in this case we would need a rule saying that the SP should be parsed.
It's you who's argument is running against the rules.
Once again: In the chart defining the crew jobs there is no such thing as a "Supervising Producer" and even if there is an error concerning the "Art Director" that doesn't give you, or anyone else the right to parse non rule compliant crew members.

You could start a discussion about parsing "Art Directors" that are credited as "Art Directors" (I'd really love to see it) but please stop mixing these totally different topics.

How many times do I need to concede that SP is technically not allowed? 

But neither is "Created By" or "Theme By" or any number of others that those who are arguing against SP are putting into the main database on a regular basis.  Everybody interprets the crew Rules the way they personally want to.

The current system and Rule needs a complete overhaul....and yes I mean overhaul, not tweaking.

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I think a super-majority qualifies as a consensus, which is what we have, hal. So wiggle al you want, good grief.

Skip

In your opinion.

You know what  they say about those.