No, sir, I am not. I am saying, if anything. The program was written in the USA not France, Germany, China or anywhere else. Therefore...

I am saying that there is a faction of users who do NOT want to follow the rules and those users will do anything to attempt to weaken them, even if it is destructive to the database as in this case. As I saoid anything YOU do when Contributing affects EVERY other user everywhere. We all have to be on the same page, unless Ken decides to set up Region specific databases and isolate them from every other Region. In that case, how you might choose to muck up your database would not impact me or any other user outside of your Region, so what you would do in such an instance would not bother me at all. But we don't have such a system and I doubt we ever will. We have to work as a TEAM, a term which may be foreign to some, in order to build the best database in the world relative to DVDs.

But once again you chose to enter with an incendiary comment, instead of trying to understand the whys and wherefores.

IN FACT, Gunnar, I am only saying type what you see On Screen, don't add data which is NOT there. I have said repeatedly the only culture I follow is that which is displayed On Screen. If I am editing a German film and they use a multitude a German diacriticals, then I will too. I will not convert it to any kind of standard which might be true in the US. What is hard about that. I am not the one that is screaming, well in France we do this or that and in Italy we do it this way....all you have to do is is type what you see and add no additional data.

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Think solutions, not issues, people! Outside the box!

Well, I already gave my solution on page 1. It's because some people are staying inside the box who are making an issue out of it.

Simply telling people to enter what they see makes no sense.  A person from France will see 'FRANCOUS' differently than a person from America.  When they enter it as 'François', it is because that is what they see.  It is not because they do not want to follow the rules.

The rule for titles says, "For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not."

The rule for names says, "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."

Because of the first rule, it is not unreasonable for people to believe that they are to use their local standard capitalization rules.  If we are to allways use English rules, then the contribution rules need to reflect that.

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No, sir, I am not. I am saying, if anything. The program was written in the USA not France, Germany, China or anywhere else. Therefore...

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Therefore? Contribute "Frank Truffaut"?   

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No, sir, I am not. I am saying, if anything. The program was written in the USA not France, Germany, China or anywhere else. Therefore...

...but it is sold worldwide and users from a lot of countries (all Ken's customer) want to contribute profiles of films made worldwide with credits in a lot of different languages. Therefore...

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I am only saying type what you see On Screen, don't add data which is NOT there. I have said repeatedly the only culture I follow is that which is displayed On Screen. If I am editing a German film and they use a multitude a German diacriticals, then I will too. I will not convert it to any kind of standard which might be true in the US. What is hard about that. I am not the one that is screaming, well in France we do this or that and in Italy we do it this way....all you have to do is is type what you see and add no additional data.

We can't do that! As other users said, the rules state "standard capitalization rules", that's were the transforming of data starts!

And to give you an idea of the extent of this whole name/credit as/as credited problem: 5 to 10% of my DVDs (some are american films!) have credits with slawonik characters (czech, slovakian, croatian, ...) which I can't contribute "as credited", 15% have credits with these names written "surname/given name", sometimes mixed up with "given name/surname", 10% have credits with these strange little things over the characters (or not because the names are all capitalized). That makes roundabout 250 DVDs which I can't contribute "as per rules" even if I want to.

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We have to work as a TEAM, a term which may be foreign to some, in order to build the best database in the world relative to DVDs.

Working in an international team doesn't mean "doing it the american way" 

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"Want to find common names? Don't use the Credit Lookup Tool"

All you get from the CLT is the IMDb name, definitely not the most credited name.

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You have totally missed the point, schizzo. I am saying do it the credits way, not ANY cultural way, THE CREDITS. Don't add data you don't see On Screen PERIOD. You are making it way too hard to try to defend your cultural preference.

I do not defend my "cultural preference" as much as you defend yours.

Credits: FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT

Skip (using standard capitalization rules): Francois Truffaut
schizzzo (using standard capitalization rules): François Truffaut

shiitake mushroom, what happens? Who's right, who's wrong? Both!

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Like i said, i don't whine when I see a bunch of German characters in a film credit, I list it as I see it, It is VERY EASY when you aren't slavish to your nationalistic tendencies

It has absolutely nothing to do with nationalistic tendencies!!!!!! But a lot with the correctness of the data! We both want a correct database and we both want it as on screen! But as I said once before, we start transforming data with using standard capitalization rules.

Another example: Kuchner and Küchner (two name variants of a german guy from the database). There are only two little dots difference but these are two total different names. The first one sounds like "Kuchen" (cake) the second like "Küche" (Kitchen). Reading these two name variants I don't think this is the same person. Not that I want to leave the "as credited" way, just an example that two little dots can be quiet important for recognizing a name (and can be important for the common name).

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And the reason you get the IMDb is because of people that just have to respond to their culture or are out and out violating the Rules.

Using IMDb has nothing to do with culture but with laziness?!

And once again, it is schizzzo, three "z". Okay skippy? 

You still don't get it, schizzzo.

Your choice IS based on cultural preference. my choice is based ONLY on what appears ON SCREEN. I don't care where it comes from. You are applying cultural Rules toi Francois, I am only applying credit data with no regard to ANY culture. The CORRECT data is as it appears On Screen not as any particular culture says to do it. As I noted it was decided to use "standard caps" for purely aesthetic reasoins. That agin had nothing to do with anything else, little did we realize that people would try and apply their cultural norms to any and everything.

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Your choice IS based on cultural preference. my choice is based ONLY on what appears ON SCREEN. I don't care where it comes from. You are applying cultural Rules toi Francois, I am only applying credit data with no regard to ANY culture.

No, you're applying cultural rules the american way. You only THINK you are applying credit data with no regard to ANY culture.