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Behemot -

    I have no problem with your vote or feedback - you are 100% in your rights to do so... which is why i noted that you made no reference to the birth years in your notes, and did not mention you by name, as i assumed you wished to be left out of this debate... I was not accusing you of any wrong doing.

No problem, I didn't feel accused of anything, either    I appreciate being made aware of this, and will check the contribution notes of these titles when I get home to see if these indeed were new contributions where the birth year snuck in by mistake. If so, then I will make a new contribution removing the birth year, saying that I never intended to add it in the first place.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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That BY was already there and I di nothing with it at that time, I am only occasssionally trying to get cast and Crew data right, i am not going to mess with BY data oer Common name data in such instances Jon. But good try.

You still have not esplained why you are coninuing to propagate data that you now know violates the Rules. Like I said the Rule is CLEAR and Concise and means what it says.

Skip

How come that you are the only entry in the contribution notes? I have only one explanation: this is a legacy profile which has be transferred from Intervocative to Invelos by Ken's import. But this would not explain how there could have been a birth year associated to the profile.

Ken did not "import" any profiles from the Intervocative database into the Invelos database.

Every profile had to be contributed new.

Sorry, you've got that wrong.

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Quoting Astrakan:

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Quick question: How was it confirmed that there's only one Scott Rudin?

KM

It wasn't...  So far the best argument i've heard is... IMDB

If that's the case, I fail to see why there's even an argument about this in the first place.

If there's no proof that the birth year shouldn't have been accepted into the database, then why not propagate it?

KM

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Hal:

After Invelos acquired Intervocative, Ken merged the databases...

As I recall, there was a frenzy to upload profiles to the new database which was completely empty when Invelos went live.

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Because the Rules are clear as to function of the BY data Astrakan, that's why and there is only ONE Scott Rudin, that I can find in Hollywood from MULTIPLE sources I might ad. And therefore his BY is an illegal entry, let alone propagating same.

WE either follow the rules or we don't. And I think it a shame that Jon has chosen to flagrantly disregard them.

Once again: you should be a little bit careful with those accusations as you yourself have apparently contributed one or more profiles with this birth year attached - doesn't matter whether if it was already present. You're accusing "a user who is mindlessly propagating Scott Rudin BY because it was previousluy accepted", and you have done the exact same thing: you downloaded a "previously accepted" birth year, didn't question it, but "mindlessly" kept it when you contributed other changes. As is so often the case, you're chastizing other users for things that you did yourself as well. At the end of the day it's obvious that neither you, nor those who you were trying to address with this thread, did anything wrong on purpose. I'll do even better: it's good of you to point out that Scott Rudin doesn't need a birth year - now it can be fixed. So: thanks! But it's a bit much accusing everyone of "mindlessly following along" or "flagrantly disregarding the rules" when you did the exact same thing yourself just a few days ago.

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there is only ONE Scott Rudin, that I can find in Hollywood from MULTIPLE sources I might ad.

Which sources?

KM

Astra:

Due to the tone of your and your attitude, I will not answer you.

Skip

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To: smeehrrr, noodleboy, skipnet, and mcellophane

Thanks for providing the passage in the rules that seemingly applies here.

In fact the rules don't apply in the way everyone thinks they do.

The rules only stipulate that Birth Years are to be used to differentiate actors with the same names.  Nothing at all is said about differentiating crew.  So the Birth Year for Rudin is fine according to the rules.

Oy vey!!!   

That is indeed what the Rule says.

The fact that the application allows you to attach a BY to a crew member somewhat belies what the Rule actually says, however.