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| Registered: May 25, 2007 |  Posts: 176 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Winter:
You seem to be very well-informed in the topic, at least factually, perhaps not in some specifics. I would suggest based on your writings; that you should go consult Universal and see if you can help them with Bionic Woman. I can only report what I know about the case, which frankly left my head spinning a bit.
Skip I'm no copyright lawyer (though I've worked with quite a few, in both America and Britain), and I doubt I know much more about it than you do; certainly less than Universal's* lawyers do. But what I do know suggests that Universal don't need any help, as they ended up being free to create the new show without needing to pay any royalties to Disney. The point is that it is not always easy to find out if something is truly in the public domain or not; if it was first published in America before 1923, it is PD. Other than that, you really need a definitive, authoritative statement that it has been explicitly placed in the PD. If the original copyright holder no longer exists, it can take a lot of effort to find out who it passed to, and thus follow it along the chain to see if it was allowed to lapse under the old 28 year rule (if that applies) or has been explicitly released. Third-party databases frequently claim to have this information, but I don't need to tell you how reliable third-party databases are, do I? *Strictly speaking, the copyright is owned by NBC, which is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns Universal Studios. NBC Universal is a jointly-owned subsidiary of General Electric and Vivendi (who previously owned Vivendi Universal Entertainment). The other co-holder of the copyright on the original Bionic Woman is ABC, owned by the Disney-ABC Television Group, owned by ABC Inc, owned by the Walt Disney Company. Frankly, tracing out the ownership of these companies is far more complicated than figuring out the copyright issues involved. |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting wintermute115: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Winter:
You seem to be very well-informed in the topic, at least factually, perhaps not in some specifics. I would suggest based on your writings; that you should go consult Universal and see if you can help them with Bionic Woman. I can only report what I know about the case, which frankly left my head spinning a bit.
Skip
I'm no copyright lawyer (though I've worked with quite a few, in both America and Britain), and I doubt I know much more about it than you do; certainly less than Universal's* lawyers do. But what I do know suggests that Universal don't need any help, as they ended up being free to create the new show without needing to pay any royalties to Disney. From what I remember reading while the show was still in development, was that how they planned to get around the Rights issues was to rethink the "bionics." In the original Cyborg novel and the 2 shows, the bionics were all mechanical, whereas in the new show, her replacement limbs are nanite based, and therefore disconnected the new show from the original novel. A link that goes into most of the issues http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/Dvd-Guy/Arent-Original-Bionic/800023655 | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by cmaeditor |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
It's easier to get a "bootleg" than many of you might think.
If you buy a DVD that might be completely legit in it's original location and export it by what means ever into another country where this movie is not available on DVD, you just "bootlegged" it, because this DVD violates the licensed rights of the copyright owner in the import country, and you can be sure that there is one. I think this topic has gone way off the mark at this point. The boots I was talking about was buying a DVD created by someone who had NO authorization to do so. I am not talking about buying a movie in region and transporting it to another. I am not talking about which studio thought they had the right. I am talking about the kind of bootlegger where this trash normally comes from, the idiot sitting in his computer room burning DVD's he bought from a reputable dealer, putting them in cases and selling them as the real deal. If you want to go further someone posted that a place in Canada was bootlegging some 14000 disc a day. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | This thread makes me wonder...how exactly would one identify if a DVD were a bootleg?
I don't mean obvious copies such as something recorded on DVD-R's etc.
I enter DVDs via UPC and then edit to enter disc id and have never had a problem...would the database be able to identity a bootleg this way? Any other way? | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | There are bootlegs out there that are professionally mastered (they look like any DVD you would buy in the store, not like a burned DVD). I remember before Lucas decided to release the original Star Wars Trilogy on DVD, that there were sellers that had what looked like professionally produced DVDs of all 3 movies for sale. I had a friend who bought them, and If you didn't know any better you would think they were official just by looking at the discs. When they were played, that was another matter. You could tell that they were ripped from LD. There are even profiles for them in DVDprofiler database IIRC. In fact I found them in the database Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back: Special Edition Region 1 Released: 5/21/2001 Widescreen 2.35:1 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi: Special Edition Region 1 Released: 12/30/1899 Widescreen 2.35:1 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope: Special Edition Region 1 Released: 12/30/1899 Widescreen 2.35:1 | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by cmaeditor |
| | Registered: May 25, 2007 | | Posts: 176 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
Quoting wintermute115:
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I'm no copyright lawyer (though I've worked with quite a few, in both America and Britain), and I doubt I know much more about it than you do; certainly less than Universal's* lawyers do. But what I do know suggests that Universal don't need any help, as they ended up being free to create the new show without needing to pay any royalties to Disney.
From what I remember reading while the show was still in development, was that how they planned to get around the Rights issues was to rethink the "bionics." In the original Cyborg novel and the 2 shows, the bionics were all mechanical, whereas in the new show, her replacement limbs are nanite based, and therefore disconnected the new show from the original novel.
A link that goes into most of the issues
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/Dvd-Guy/Arent-Original-Bionic/800023655 That, and not reusing the specific plot lines, yeah. Pretty much the only remaining link to the original series is the title. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cmaeditor:
Those titles should be flagged removal.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 25, 2007 | | Posts: 176 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
This thread makes me wonder...how exactly would one identify if a DVD were a bootleg?
I don't mean obvious copies such as something recorded on DVD-R's etc. As cmaeditor says, a decent bootleg is indistinguishable from the real thing. Until you play it. And, frankly, if it's just an unauthorised copy of a legal DVD (rather than being filmed in the cinema, or ripped from laserdisc or VCD) then there's no reason you'd be able to tell even then. Quote:
I enter DVDs via UPC and then edit to enter disc id and have never had a problem...would the database be able to identity a bootleg this way? Any other way? Not programmatically, no. If a bootleg DVD is in the database, then your only option is to have someone identify it as a bootleg, and then get Ken to lock out the appropriate UPC / DiscID (is that possible?) so that it can't be contributed. Of course, a direct copy of a valid DVD would have the same DiscID and would be treated exactly the same as the legitimate disc it was copied from. Copies from other media would be far easier to control. And then, what happens if the DiscID that a pirate copy uses is later used by a legitimate release of an unrelated title? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have flagged them to be removed.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I have flagged them to be removed.
Skip How do you flag profiles for removal? I've heard people talk about it, but don't know the process. | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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I have flagged them to be removed.
Skip
How do you flag profiles for removal? I've heard people talk about it, but don't know the process. to paraphrase, you just add the profile to your collection and then upload it to the database with a comment that it's a bootleg and should be deleted. This then gets picked up when it comes being checked by Invelos. There may be a requirement to add something specific to the profile - if I can find the details I'll update this post. | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
There may be a requirement to add something specific to the profile - if I can find the details I'll update this post. All I did at the time when I removed a few was to change the Title to "Screeners: Please remove this profile form the database" and remove all non-critical (not required for contribution) content. The Overview was replaced with the reason for the request, which was usually "wrong Locality for this DVD". | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 |  Posts: 189 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Wombat is dead on about one thing, if you dabble in region 3, it's darn difficult to tell the real deal from a phony. It's no challenge and frankly not much of a statement to have 2000+ titles and zero boots if one restricts themselves to region 1.
I'm merely suggesting that there are different types of buyers with vastly different tastes. There is no "one size fits all" description of a DVD collector with a large collection. Unless some of you guys actually have a couple hundred region 3's amongst your thousands of disks, it's probably best not to judge. It's not just localized to R3. Quite a while back I bought The Little Mermaid on eBay (before the Platinum Edition released in 2006). The UPC of this was 717951005861 with the cover showing it as "Limited Issue". At first glance everything looked fine. Cover matched the UPC from the online database. Everything "seemed" cool at the time. The only thing that made me a bit suspicious was that the cover art and the printing on the disc were a bit blurry. I then proceed to profile the DVD and that's where I noticed quite a few inconsistencies: the Region of the disc wasn't 1 & 4 like it should be but R0 (all); there were additional audio tracks in additional to the English, French and Spanish there was Chinese, Thai, Mandarin and I think a couple of others too. I held onto it until I repurchased it as the Platinum Edition and then tossed it in the garbage. Since then I haven't bought any DVDs on eBay. Although now that buyers are much more protected than before I might reconsider. | | | Peter
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| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Information on Disney dvds, what's been released, what hasn't, and whats OOP, is pretty easy to find since Disney has their whole 'Vault System' I find this site is pretty good as far as info goes. http://www.ultimatedisney.com/-Agrare |
|  | W0m6at | | You're in for it now Tony |
| Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 1,091 |
| | Posted: | | | | Anime Digital - The Pirate Anime FAQ* is excellent for anime. I've actually used it to confirm my suspicions on a few releases. The "company" Anime Cartoon seems to be quite prolific (at least in my experience). Is anyone going to set up a Bootleg Spotter's Guide somewhere on the forums?* (also in Germanand French) | | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) | | | | Last edited: by W0m6at |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting W0m6at: Quote:
Anime Digital - The Pirate Anime FAQ* is excellent for anime. I've actually used it to confirm my suspicions on a few releases. The "company" Anime Cartoon seems to be quite prolific (at least in my experience).
Is anyone going to set up a Bootleg Spotter's Guide somewhere on the forums?
* (also in German
and French) W0m6at, I think that is an excellent idea. Have a green arrow. We should have it in the General Discussion area. We can call it bootlegs and include the UPC codes and why we know the disc to be a bootleg. |
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