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Wrong credits in "From the Earth to the Moon" (Signature Edition) - What to do ?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAstrakan
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Easier yet, look at the first (4x3) DVD release, then look at the second DVD release... 16x9 for sure, but you will notice that the image is cropped on the top & bottom, and no additional visuals show up on the sides. Shot in full-frame, not in widescreen.

I'm not doubting that you're right about the cropping, but it's entirely possible that the shots were framed with 16x9 in mind but shot open matte in order to accomodate both the present and the future.

If this is the case, then it boils down to more what the director's intent was than anything. But it may very well not be the case.

KM
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Easier yet, look at the first (4x3) DVD release, then look at the second DVD release... 16x9 for sure, but you will notice that the image is cropped on the top & bottom, and no additional visuals show up on the sides. Shot in full-frame, not in widescreen.

Off topic, but that's one thing that annoyed me about the Babylon 5 DVD release.


Yeah, that was a problem with Babylon 5, but mainly because effects shots which were intended to be recomposited could not be because WB lost all the elements.
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Easier yet, look at the first (4x3) DVD release, then look at the second DVD release... 16x9 for sure, but you will notice that the image is cropped on the top & bottom, and no additional visuals show up on the sides. Shot in full-frame, not in widescreen.

I'm not doubting that you're right about the cropping, but it's entirely possible that the shots were framed with 16x9 in mind but shot open matte in order to accomodate both the present and the future.

If this is the case, then it boils down to more what the director's intent was than anything. But it may very well not be the case.

KM


Yeah, I guess if you like a lot of heads cropped at the hairline, it's cool. 
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I think you saved me a lot of money, as I was gonna buy this anamorf thingi to get "better" picture...

Now I can look at my old 4:3 DVD and be happy about it!!  Happy for this perfect timing in offtopic posting...   

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To give you the end of this story: My contribution for the UK profile of "From the Earth to the Moon" got accepted by Invelos - as well as my negative vote for Skips "No" (accusing me of "blatantly violating the rules").

I'm somewhat surprised that nobody bothered to correct the RC1 profiles, yet, but to me that is an SEP (somebody else's problem).
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While I don't like loopholes, I will point out the one you are using.  This is what the rule says (bold added by me):

For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits".

It could be argued, since it is not a list of the actors involved, that they do not qualify as "standard film credits".  If they are not "standard film credits," then we do not have to copy them exactly.


Good point. According to this line of reasoning, Tigi's contribution is perfectly right.
Nevertheless, I still think Skip's suggestion in his first post ("capture the data as is, errors can become valuable and we need to be distinguish that error. However, I think perhaps I would include a divider listing the ACTUAL credits") would be perhaps the best solution.

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I don't like it, as I think it opens the door for abuse, but it is what it is. 


What kind of abuse?
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I don't even interpret it that way based on any kind of reading of the Rules, Unicus. Tigi is simply ttrying to twist and ignore the Rules to suit his OWN preference and we all Know my position on personal prefences. Keep it LOCALLY. I see what he is trying to do, he is trying to pick and choose the Rules to his taste.

He broke the Rules, plain and simple.

There are also other errors in his Contribution which are INCORRECT.

Skip

Skip,

I wish you would stop pontificating about "my position on personal prefences. Keep it LOCALLY. I see what he is trying to do, he is trying to pick and choose the Rules to his taste.".  This is exactly the opposite of the position you have taken in the Case types (again)... thread -- where you choose to ignore the Rules as Ken spelled them out because you disagree with them.  In that case you want to bend the rules to fit YOUR personal preferences instead of keeping it LOCALLY.

If you're going to be so strong about keeping personal preferences out of the online database and about not twist[ing] and ignor[ing] the Rules to suit you should follow that philosophy wrt Case Types, too, not just those areas where you agree with the rules.  You can't have it both ways.
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O do love it so hen users not oonly blatantly ignorethe Rule but BRAG about it as well.

For YOUR information, Ken, my opinion on Cas has not changed but even though Tim chose to WHINE about it, he also did NOT tell people that I changed my vote. So it would be nice if you had all the information BEFORE you started taking shots at me.

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He did tell people that you changed your vote to neutral, nearly 9 hours ago.
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Then why did ken bring it up. Tigi, broke the rules, plain and simple AND got away with it.

And is bragging about it.

Skip
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It would appear that the screeners don't see it that way...since they accepted it and all.  Of course there's always the chance they went the last four days never noticing this ridiculous 5 page thread and had no idea that the submission "broke" the rules. 
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Then why did ken bring it up. Tigi, broke the rules, plain and simple AND got away with it.

And is bragging about it.

I'm not bragging about anything, I was stating a mere fact - nothing more, nothing less.

By the way, I got a negative vote for my post (I can very well imagine by whom).
Michael
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Then why did ken bring it up.

Simply because I didn't know about Tigi's subsequent post until lafter I posted.  And I'm sorry if you think my pointing out the hypocritical position you had espoused is "taking shots at you."  I don't consider making a valid criticism to be "taking shots."  I have seen people take shots at you (and you at others) and I know what it means -- and what I said ain't it!

For the record, I thank you for withdrawing your NO vote in favor of a neutral one.  That's what I would have done in the first place.

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Tigi, broke the rules, plain and simple AND got away with it.

And is bragging about it.

Skip

Are you miffed because he "got away with" breaking the rules and you didn't?  Have things in society changed so much that two wrongs now DO make a right?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorTigiHof
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Are you miffed because he "got away with" breaking the rules and you didn't?

I didn't break the rules, as others and myself have already explained in this thread.
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Ken and I talked this one over and decided that this type of mistake is analogous to the case saying it is anamorphic and then the DVD isn't. This should be considered a mastering error, not a creditting error. Therefore the contribution was accepted and TigiHof did not break the rules.

-Gerri
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Makes sense.  Thanks Gerri.  Big Green Arrow for you. 
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