Tim:.

Keep your crap local. Stop attempting to INVENT non-existent data and issues.

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Tim:

The poll two weeks ago gave you the answer...but you want always to do things YOUR way and via your interpretation. This time you want to invent non-existent data and have simply proven to me that will create poll after poll, regardless of the answer to get things as you wish. you are wrong, SIR, AS USUAL.

What is it about  notStandardizing names and the results of THAT poll which imcluded sufiixes, I might add, that you do not COMPREHEND. Don't answer because I know the answer, because you want it so.

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You have no case to rest, Tim, you are WRONG. a i noted that poll INCLUDED suffixes and received what two or three votes.

Why do you feel the NEED to INVENT a non-existent variant? Because you want to standardize the name, which we do NOT do. Simple answer, Tim, you are wrong.

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There is a difference between that exception and the one you are proposing.  The 'all caps' exception doesn't change the data.  'JOHN SMITH' and 'John Smith' are the same.  Nothing is added, nothing is subtracted.  On the other hand, 'John Smith Jr.' and 'John Smith, Jr." are not the same.  Data has been added.

'JOHN SMITH' and 'John Smith' are obviously not the same. While there is no character added, the data is still changed.

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There is a difference between that exception and the one you are proposing.  The 'all caps' exception doesn't change the data.  'JOHN SMITH' and 'John Smith' are the same.  Nothing is added, nothing is subtracted.  On the other hand, 'John Smith Jr.' and 'John Smith, Jr." are not the same.  Data has been added.

'JOHN SMITH' and 'John Smith' are obviously not the same. While there is no character added, the data is still changed.

Now you're just being obtuse.  The names are exactly the same.  The only thing that has changed is the formatting of the text.  Changing the format of the text is not the same as adding text.

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Changing the format of the text is not the same as adding text.

Agree.
And adding a comma is not the same as adding text. 

I'd have to disagree.  A comma is text just as much as a letter is.

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There is a difference between that exception and the one you are proposing.  The 'all caps' exception doesn't change the data.  'JOHN SMITH' and 'John Smith' are the same.  Nothing is added, nothing is subtracted.  On the other hand, 'John Smith Jr.' and 'John Smith, Jr." are not the same.  Data has been added.

'JOHN SMITH' and 'John Smith' are obviously not the same. While there is no character added, the data is still changed.

Now you're just being obtuse.  The names are exactly the same.  The only thing that has changed is the formatting of the text.  Changing the format of the text is not the same as adding text.

A mixed case text has more information than an all caps text. In 'DE NIRO' you can't tell if it's 'de Niro' or 'De Niro'. Therefore standardising all caps credits to mixed case is adding data.

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Then somebody will come up with something else, they want to standardize, maybe Mýa or somethjing else, then someone else will have their per standardized name and so on and pretty soon it's a mess. We have never adnd don't now standardize ANY names for ANY reason. I can't support ANY such premise under ANY circumstances,

That's not completely true. There is already one exception, and it seems to me that no "mess" has come from that.

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Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

The capitalization exception is very specific, and so would be a standard for commas before Jr./Sr. suffixes.

There is a difference between that exception and the one you are proposing.  The 'all caps' exception doesn't change the data.  'JOHN SMITH' and 'John Smith' are the same.  Nothing is added, nothing is subtracted.  On the other hand, 'John Smith Jr.' and 'John Smith, Jr." are not the same.  Data has been added.

If we make this exception, why not an exception that adds periods to initials?  Change 'JD Drew' to J.D. Drew'.  Or, how about adding a 'Sr.' when a father and son share the same name?  Make 'Lon Chaney', the father, into 'Lon Chaney, Sr.'.  Nevermind that he isn't credited that way.

I could go on, but I don't think I need to.  That is the 'slippery slope' this could send us down. 

You keep talking about this as if we are talking about the "credited as" name.  No one is suggesting standardizing the "credited as" name.

We're talking about the "common name".  I really don't understand what the big deal is.  It makes no difference whatsoever in the accuracy of the actual film credit data, that still comes directly from the screen credits. 

It is not what you see when you look at the cast or crew list.  So what harm exactly is done by standardizing this small insignificant part of the name in the "common name" field?  By doing so, there is never any question about how it should be entered in the "common name field".  We don't need to worry about how much IMDb garbage data is currently in the "credited as" data in the lookup tool for these specific instances.

I really do not understand the argument at all.