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Uncredited: Close match? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bodi: Quote:
I would at least try to make an attempt at verifying it so I don't look like an ass by removing correct data. That was my advice to to the original poster and someone else gave him the same advice and he seems to agree. I agree with Richierich, who agreed with Northbloke  Quoting Richierich: Quote:
There is no onus on you to do this Enry, but I agree with my UK friend that it would be of great service to all other users if you did a quick check of the actors being removed, as some of the data could be accurate and valuable to other users.
cheers
Rich | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | EnryWiki, seeing how some users on here are more interested in bad-mouthing others than actually helping, I've done some quick online searches. Please note, I don't have this film so I've been unable to do any visual checks against photos, which could also be used to confirm some of them especially as quite a few of these people are models.
Ilona Alexandra ... Celebrity on Red Carpet (uncredited)
no confirmation
Andrea Bertola ... Red Carpet Celebrity (uncredited)
on her resume: http://www.andreabertola.com/resume2.html
Alexander Blaise ... French Bellhop (uncredited)
no confirmation
Jaclynn Tiffany Brown ... (uncredited)
no confirmation
Carl Burrows ... Businessman (uncredited)
no confirmation
Molyneau DuBelle ... Parisian Luncheon Guest (uncredited)
no confirmation
Guy A. Fortt ... Security (uncredited)
online interview mentions it in intro: http://www.danaroc.com/inspiring_082007guyfortt.html
L.J. Ganser ... Marty (uncredited)
he mentions his role in a quote here: http://www.audiofilemagazine.com/gvpages/A1901.shtml
Alexie Gilmore ... Clacker (uncredited)
no confirmation
Scott Hatfield ... New York Mirror Reporter (uncredited)
no confirmation
Tim Krueger ... Fund Raiser (uncredited)
(no match in DVDP)
he lists it on his resume here: http://www.timkrueger.com/acting-resume.shtml
so you can add this one!
Nina Lisandrello ... Super Clacker (uncredited)
no confirmation
Zev McAllister ... Runway Editor (uncredited)
it's on his resume: http://www.speedreels.com/talent/zmcallister/res_zmcallister.pdf
Denis McKeown ... Guest - Black-and-white Ball (uncredited)
no confirmation
Justin Restivo ... French Waiter (uncredited)
no confirmation
Sage Salzer ... (uncredited)
no confirmation
Emily Sandberg ... Superclacker (uncredited)
no confirmation
Robert Stio ... Photographer (uncredited)
no confirmation
Taylor Treadwell ... New Assistant (uncredited)
no confirmation
I hope this helps! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As i stated on this topic the last time this came up, north, that is between YOU and the user. He maybe following the Rules and you have no right to try and force him to retain something that should be removed, yes some users have attempted to use their votes to try and blackmail others into doing what they wish them to do. In that case I would fully support the user removing the data, I don't respond well to my arm being twisted or seeing someone else's arm being twisted. That said your data looks reasonable and the appropriate place to discuss this would be with the user privately and without attempting to FORCE him to do something which he may only get his back up over. I am sure most of us approached in the proper way, would respond to your data, but as I said I will NOT respond positively to balckmail attempts.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, how about you actually read these threads before spouting off all your hateful comments and accusations? EnryWiki agreed with my suggestion of doing some quick online searches on PAGE ONE of this thread! If you'd bothered to read this, you'd know I was helping EnryWiki out - not forcing him to do anything he doesn't want to. And as for being more appropriate in a PM - I think my list is a damn sight more relevant to the topic than any of your posts!  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Don't forget, Unicus there is more to the world than your or my narrow view of it. .... Remainder of quote removed out of respect for the Skip-blockers. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.............. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Skip, how about you actually read these threads before spouting off all your hateful comments and accusations?
EnryWiki agreed with my suggestion of doing some quick online searches on PAGE ONE of this thread!
If you'd bothered to read this, you'd know I was helping EnryWiki out - not forcing him to do anything he doesn't want to.
And as for being more appropriate in a PM - I think my list is a damn sight more relevant to the topic than any of your posts!
North: My comments are based on experience, not directed at you. Enry brought this to the forums not you and I offered my advice to him based on the out and out fact that the data was undeniably undocumented, the fact that it was (uncredited) is really irrelevant. I would say the same thing about any other piece of data that let's say Common Name which is undocumented. The data happened to be (uncredited). The rest of that posting describes factual incidents which I have seen personally. You took the proper approach, albeit, publicly in providing him with data to support the retention of at least some (uncredited). He followed the Rules in his suggestion regarding removal based on lack of documentation, you provided documentation; it is now for Enry to decide how and IF to implement that information. If he were to choose not to, then he is STILL correct and the best that can be done is for you or someone else to follow that with a Contriution documenting that data which could be returned to the Profile. I would not judge Enry for whatever decision he might make, nor would it be appropriate for me to vote No on the basis that you provided him with documentation and he chose (if he did) not to make use of it, that would be trying to exercise the power of my vote in order to get Enry to do something which for whatever his reasons he may not wish to do. There is no need to for endless discussion and argument, the questiuon is simple, the answer is simpl, though it might not be the answer you want to hear. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The question is simple did he follow the Rules...YES. There is no requirement that he respond to any demands of any user as long as he is within the Rules to begin with.
I have the highest standards of any user regarding my own Contributions and my own voting, does that mean that I am perfect...far from it, I try. But I know that my ethics are unquestionable and they are far higher than what i see displayed here all too often, to my own personal deep regret.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 105 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
EnryWiki, seeing how some users on here are more interested in bad-mouthing others than actually helping, I've done some quick online searches. Please note, I don't have this film so I've been unable to do any visual checks against photos, which could also be used to confirm some of them especially as quite a few of these people are models.
Ilona Alexandra ... Celebrity on Red Carpet (uncredited)
no confirmation
Andrea Bertola ... Red Carpet Celebrity (uncredited)
on her resume: http://www.andreabertola.com/resume2.html
What's the use? DVD was released this year. This should never have happened. Screeners, my foot.
The basics: use the DVD and what is added (Commentary, Featurettes) and don't go searching on the Net because some newbie dumped all this stuff into a UK profile. I don't see any R1 discs with this "valuable information".
Rifter advised: put that stuff in the notes, well, that IS a splendid idea. You guys do that. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 105 |
| | Posted: | | | | And a question to all those staunch supporters of keeping valuable data: Would you have added these data when building up this profile from scratch (Prada) or whatever movie, if it fell in your lap? In 2007? | | | | Last edited: by O'Hara |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I've done some quick online searches. Thanks!  . | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
The question is simple ....... Remainder of quote removed out of respect for the many Skip-blockers. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.......... God, the drivel is really getting extreme these days! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | The issue of UUCM3 (Undocumented Uncredited Close Match of any 3rd party db) appears to be a controversial one. Here is how I see it. Q.1 Is it "safe" to remove UUCM3, or is it "messing with database"? A.1 It is safe, according to Ken's statements, if they actually are UUCM3. Q.2 Do I need to remove every UUCM3 I come across as fast as I can? A.2 No, Ken just said you can remove them, he didn't say that you should. Q.3 What would be of greater service to other users? A straightforward removal? Checking before removal? Doing nothing? A.3 There are different opinions, and all options are possible, AFAIK. My take is that, as the UUCM3 data could be accurate even if UUCM3, a quick online check would be of greater service to other users. I agree on that with Richierich and Northbloke. Quoting Richierich Quote:
There is no onus on you to do this Enry, but I agree with my UK friend that it would be of great service to all other users if you did a quick check of the actors being removed, as some of the data could be accurate and valuable to other users.
cheers
Rich If documentation is found, you could contribute it instead of removing the UUCM3. In that case, the "Undocumented" condition would not be true anymore, and data would have to stay. Otherwise, you could remove the data for which no valid documentation was found. Q.4 How would you vote on a UUCM3 removal? A.4 My strictly personal opinion is that a grain of salt is needed, taking into consideration all the things just said in A.1 to 3.  | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
EnryWiki, seeing how some users on here are more interested in bad-mouthing others than actually helping, My apologies North. I fell into the trap I was trying to avoid. I guess I should try harder. Nice job on the research, btw.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | @ EnryWiki...
That is a well thought out and reasonable post. As I said earlier, each profile should be dealt with on it's own merits. There shouldn't be an all or nothing rule and I think Ken showed a good understanding of the situation when he decided not to make one.
Words have meaning and using words like 'can' and 'safe', instead of 'should' and 'must', says a lot. It allows the contributor to make his/her choice, the voters to make theirs and leaves the final decision up to the screener. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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