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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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8Ball:
That might be Hal's opinion but not mine, the Cover and the Front Cover are a precise match in terms of the quotation marks, as you know. This was clearly the intent of the filmmaker, for what reason...I have no idea nor do I pretend to know more than the filmmaker does about HIS movie. It is indeed fairly unusual, though not unheard of, but it certainly is NOT the Common prctice, such as it is with TV Series Episodes.
Skip
The cover is irrelevant under the current Rules. Whoops, this is now out of date. My how quickly things change around here!  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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Quoting hal9g:
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The fact of the matter is that until recently, very few people actually had any problem whatsoever determining the actual Title of a film.
It wasn't until a minuscule minority around here decided that everything that they saw on screen (or on the cover) must be part of the title, that we started having any problems at all!
It is unclear why after all these years of using DVDP, this revelation has suddenly occurred. 
I've been a contributing member of this little community of ours since July 23, 2001 and to be completely honest with you Hal, to the best of my knowledge, Mister Roberts is the first title that I have added to my collection that has quotes around the title. I've never had a problem determining what constitutes "the title" until I attempted to make this contribution. If that makes me some sort of ignoramous then so be it.
I was not referring specifically to your contribution of Mister Roberts, which had been contributed previously with the quotes.
I am not familiar with your collection, but many, many older films include quotes around the title in the on screen credits (which is where we currently get the title). For years, these titles have been entered without the quotes...and rightly so.
It is only recently that some have decided that we have all been wrong for all these years. Understood Hal. Now that Ken has ammended the rules, I should have no further problems when adding/contributing other titles from this era  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
If its up to Ken then why do you and others bandy about words such as majority and even democracy, Unicus. neither word has ANY relevance, UNLESS people are trying badger the programmer. The viewpoints have been expressed, nothing more needs to be said. And certainly not here. Some users need to really learn how to make use of the program before they start carping. Speaking only for myself... This is a user community. When decisions, that affect the communty, are made by the community, majority should rule. That is how communities work. It is also a way for us to let Ken know how we feel on any given subject. If Ken knows how the majority of users feel, he can use that knowledge to make a more educated decision. That is why I use those words. In the end, I will contribute based on what Ken decides and keep my local, local. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | ROFLMAO, Unicus, and where in the name of God did you eber get that idea.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I changed my mind...not worth it. Besides, I like Bodi's answer better. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
ROFLMAO, Unicus, and where in the name of God did you eber get that idea.
Skip I think he got the idea from the latest rule changes. Most don't want the quotes...you do...and it has been decided to go along with the majority of the community. I love it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think some users in this thread may be confusing the issue here. I don’t believe this was ever about wanting the quotation marks included as part of the title in the films mentioned here…at least for me it wasn't. In my case, I saw an approved profile of the film I own that had them, verified their presence both on the DVD cover and in the film's title credits and assumed that they belonged there. It wasn’t about wanting. Hell, if I want them, I’ll just add them and lock my title field and leave it at that. Now that Ken, in his infinite and benevolent wisdom  , has amended the rules to exclude them, I’m a happy camper because I now have guidance in this matter, whereas before it was a guessing game. The same goes for the new possessives rule…I welcome and embrace it wholeheartedly. Finally! we can move on to the next argument…err…discussion  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Bodi:
I certainly don't see Ken as going along with any majority. The majority wanted to automatically exclude any possessives. Ken actually wound up closer to my position, coupled with a battle plan to make some program mods to allow for MORE title data. The majority said to exclude unless you can verify otherwise, Ken did not say that
Title - Take the title from the DVD's front cover. Do not include possessives unless they can bedocumented as being part of the actual title. 47 votes
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the past, we were locked into taking the DVD title from the film itself... there were legitimate arguments that everything on the title card was the title, including possessives, yet somehow excluding copyright dates. Now the title is to be taken from the cover. Which legitimizes "Something More about Mary" very neatly, but takes the data a step away from naming everything after the films shown (TV series have always been from the cover, otherwise how do we distinguish between Smallville Season One and Smallville Season Two?). With the title coming from the cover, this moves us into a truer DVD Profiler, and more away from Films on DVD Profiler. I tend to think of my collection as being about the film, not about the DVD. But, even so, this rule change makes a great deal of sense to me. The program sorts DVDs, not films on video. It does not include VHS, or other non-disc media. These rule changes are not exactly what I wished for, but they are extremely good at helping me do what I want to do when I use this program. And once again, our verbose Skip adds his reasoned opinion, and tries to mask it as fact. Skip... you take your perfectly legitimate point-of-view, and seem to imagine a world where anyone who disagrees with you is avoiding your facts, when your facts are merely your opinions. Some of us read the rules and draw a differing opinion. That's why there actually run horse races. Ken came nowhere near supporting your opinion. You have argued to include the possessive on The Birds from the beginning. Yet, Ken's rule excludes it. This rule change is directly opposed to your opinions. We all spin our positions, Skip, including you. Let us adopt these rules as we always do, and begin spinning all our opinions on how to interpret them. I suspect the "font size" rule on possessives will be as interesting to see in action as the "significant improvement" rule is on cover scans submissions. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Bodi:
I certainly don't see Ken as going along with any majority. The majority wanted to automatically exclude any possessives. Ken actually wound up closer to my position, coupled with a battle plan to make some program mods to allow for MORE title data. The majority said to exclude unless you can verify otherwise, Ken did not say that
Title - Take the title from the DVD's front cover. Do not include possessives unless they can bedocumented as being part of the actual title. 47 votes
Skip Skip, That is not what the majority wanted! And you know it! from the new rules: Quote:
Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title.
From the vote you quoted: Quote:
Do not include possessives unless they can be documented as being part of the actual title.
These both have the same meaning. This is simple logic. Your stated position was to include any and all possessives. | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Ken actually wound up closer to my position The new rules say Quote:
Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. Didn't you want Quote:
The possessive when it is used appears ON SCREENPERIOD. One reason I firmly am convinced that I am right is that my comments are based on FACTUAL statements based upon what apeears On Screen, with no bias brought on by any desire one way or the other, nor any opinion based upon ANY other source material...simply and FACTUALLY what is ON SCREEN instead? Quote:
, coupled with a battle plan to make some program mods to allow for MORE title data. Wow, that's what I have been asking for!  Quote:
The majority said to exclude unless you can verify otherwise, Ken did not say that He said to include them if you can verify they are part of the title. Not that huge difference, is it? | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
With the title coming from the cover, this moves us into a truer DVD Profiler, and more away from Films on DVD Profiler.
I tend to think of my collection as being about the film, not about the DVD. But, even so, this rule change makes a great deal of sense to me. The program sorts DVDs, not films on video.
That's exactly how I feel. Agree on each single word  | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Bodi:
I certainly don't see Ken as going along with any majority. The majority wanted to automatically exclude any possessives. Ken actually wound up closer to my position, coupled with a battle plan to make some program mods to allow for MORE title data. The majority said to exclude unless you can verify otherwise, Ken did not say that
Title - Take the title from the DVD's front cover. Do not include possessives unless they can bedocumented as being part of the actual title. 47 votes
Skip The majority said to exclude unless they can be verified. The new rules, written by Ken, say to include if they can be verified. Same thing said with different words. How you can believe that it is closer to your position, which was include unless you can verify that they are not part of the title, is beyond me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You clearly never grokked my position in its fullness, but then i am not surpriswed you are too busy trying to parse words to try and understand a position. In point of FACT, there is no one here that REALLY understood what I was saying. That could be me as well as YOU(generic). But the subject is closed. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You clearly never grokked my position in its fullness, but then i am not surpriswed you are too busy trying to parse words to try and understand a position. In point of FACT, there is no one here that REALLY understood what I was saying. That could be me as well as YOU(generic). But the subject is closed.
Skip Oh I grokked your position just fine. Btw, did we get a new 'word of the day' calendar? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just say no to "quotes"  |
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