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I don't happen to appreciate the tactics used by some with their to use their votes as blackmail to get what they want. Particularly when some of those people vote inconsistently, for example demanding a source of a user while not making the same demand of another user for similar data, or ignoring the Rules completely and voting Yes to images that do not match the Profile, or a variety of other issues that I see and these may or may not involve you. And I'll not discuss it publicly in any thing other than general terms.

Why is it that when someone votes no on your contributions it's blackmail and inconsistent and ignoring the rules and yet you allow yourself to vote no on "principle"    (for example when you vote no due to no CLT results, even though they aren't required by Ken or the rules)?

I voted no to your change to the media company for A Beautiful Mind because you did not provide a source for the change. You cited your personal knowledge of studios but had no source, since the media company name you chose was nowhere to be found on the packaging.

Now another user has thankfully provided a media company from the packaging and you've pulled down your contribution, but not before you littered the contribution notes with all sorts of comments about me that have nothing to do with the contribution.

If I voted yes to an image that was not a match for the UPC, that would be a mistake. If I voted yes to a contribution from another user of a media company that's not found on the packaging, that would be a mistake. But neither would justify you adding a media company that's not found on the packaging without a source other than your personal knowledge...which turned out to be wrong.

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The only thin which is more manipulative is acouple of users around here who will vote NO and when the issue is addressed, then they do not return with a Yes vote and often times these users are thanked in the new update. That is pure manipulation.

I don't vote yes to your contributions because when I vote no, you litter the contribution notes with insults and threats about me. I'm willing to endure your threats and bluster to prevent your errors from entering the db, but I will not condone your behavior.

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This is one of the reasons i do not block people, Rick. If I have no desire to Communicate, then why should I vote on their Contributions one way or the other, if they screw it up, I follow up with a fix.

You are the only person I have blocked because your insults and threats to me are far worse in PMs than in the open forums or in your contribution notes. If you don't want to vote on my contributions as a result, that's fine. I've never had a decline from any of your 'no' votes, so it doesn't matter.

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Submission fixed. Voted YES. Thanks

For the record I only suggested you slow down cause you said some of your contributions were getting "lost". I don't care how much you or anyone else submitts. The more the merrier I say. 

If it weren't for those who enjoy submitting the rest of us who, for whatever reason don't, wouldn't have the DB we have. I am always happy to see correct submissions and always grateful to those who submit! Doesn't mean I wont or can't vote no if I see something wrong.

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Submission fixed. Voted YES. Thanks

For the record I only suggested you slow down cause you said some of your contributions were getting "lost". I don't care how much you or anyone else submitts. The more the merrier I say. 

If it weren't for those who enjoy submitting the rest of us who, for whatever reason don't, wouldn't have the DB we have. I am always happy to see correct submissions and always grateful to those who submit! Doesn't mean I wont or can't vote no if I see something wrong.

You did? Really now. Hmmmm

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OK, James let's look at that. I provided detailed data on that Contribution, far better and MORE detailed than Tim does with his crap, yet you vote Yes to Tim and No to me. I call that BS, James.

You provided text but no source. Here's what you said:

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USHE corrected to UHE, there is no USHE printed anywhere on this cover or disc, this title was released in 2002 THREE years before USHV evolved into USHE and TWO years before UHE evolved into USHV

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USHE corrected to UHE, there is no USHE printed anywhere on this cover or disc, this title was released in 2002 THREE years before USHV evolved into USHE and TWO years before UHE evolved into USHV

Let's see; details are provided with DATES and user leaves snide remark
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USHE corrected to UHE, there is no USHE printed anywhere on this cover or disc, this title was released in 2002 THREE years before USHV evolved into USHE and TWO years before UHE evolved into USHV

So, the user is WRONG AGAIN, if you look at ANY cover that has USHE OR USHV, the Distributor is explicitly spelled out. This is not true of this title because it was not released by either entity, it was released by UHE which succeeded UHV in 2000. Now, sir there is specific information to correct INCORRECT data. You don't have Studio knowledge clearly, I do, this just another example of inconsistent voting on the part of THIS user, he all the time let's other users go without voting NO and demading a Source and they provide far less than I have.

There are dates there, but where did they come from? If you can simply state information as fact, than what do we need documentation for? I could simply say that based on my Birth Year knowledge that there are two John Smiths, one born 1932 and one born 1950 and the John Smith in my contribution was born in 1950. That's "data"; isn't it? But is it acceptable? No, because there's no source. It's the same for the information you provided for a media company name that does not exist on the packaging. You expected users to vote yes based on your word and your Studio knowledge. You would never allow another voter to do that.
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As for T!M, you must be referring to CLT issues. Ken has said that we only need to use the CLT as the source. The fact that T!M doesn't list CLT results does not violate anything, even though you want more. My votes to accept his data, which I believe are in line with Ken's comments, have nothing to do with my votes on other issues.[/b]

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Now since you have entered the fray. Would you care to explain why you voted Yes to a Cover that did not match the profile, despite the fact that at the time you voted there was one No vote, mine and another user came back and discovered the UPC issue, Do you not bother to follow up on such votes to see if maybe somebody sees something that might have been missed.

I do not necessarily look at other votes before I cast my own vote and no, I never go back to look at votes after I have voted to see if I have missed something. I do return to any 'no' vote I've cast on your contributions from time to time because I expect that you will insult and slander me in your notes after I vote. I'm usually proven correct.

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You also have a tendency to make up Rules to YOUR whim and not the ACTUALITY. Such as Overviews for TV series, you claimed that the Rules say numbering is OK, I don't where you get that from, nor do I get where you think TV series REPLACES the General rules for Ovverviews when the clearly indicate they do NOT. If there is no numbering on a printed Episode list, we don't make one up, that is what the rules say. But not according to you create Rules that don't exist out of whole cloth.

You created a media company out of whole cloth and were proven incorrect! As for the TV episode listings, my reading of the rules is that the Overview (the text which describes the plot or substance of the product) is to be copied exactly. I do not consider episode listings to be part of the overview. In fact, the rules state that an episode listing may be added to the overview. It doesn't say you can add one if there isn't one already. It says you can add one. It doesn't say where to get the episode listing from or whether you have to number it or not.

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Overviews  Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed “Notes” field.
There is nothing HERE that refers to numbering at all, James Not in any form

More often than not, when a user adds an episode list, they number the episodes. There's nothing there that prevents one from doing so.

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But the base Rules for Overviews do say to copy the Overview excatly, don't they. That means if there is an Episode list printed with the Overview and it is numbered...copy the numbers, if they are not numbered DON'T invent non-existent data.

It doesn't mean "if there is an Episode list printed with the Overview and it is numbered...copy the numbers." It doesn't say that. There's no reference there to episode lists. You are adding that. Episode lists, IMO, are not part of the overview which is to be copied exactly. Episode lists can come from any source since there is no directive in the rules regarding the source for the episode list.

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Now how i am to view you voting, James, you are one of the users to which i have referred. You don't vote YES, you do look for reasons to vote No and when isee it, if I consider the vote to be valid and address the concern, you don't return and vote Yes, in fact one time recently you did return and you changed a No vote after the Notes were edited to address the concern...to Neutral. Now to me, James it appears that you have an agenda andthat is being nice about it, but I find the behavior to be totally unacceptable and insulting. Rick does return and vote Yes when Iaddress his concerns.

When I vote 'no', you insult me in your notes and make wild accusations about me and you make them in permanent contributions notes. I find that completely reprehensible and indefensible. I will not condone your efforts with a 'yes' vote. Ever. I will not endure all of your tactics and then give my approval to it.

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So, yes, James couple this kind of thing with other issues and credibility, you wnat me to grant it to you, based on what. You have different voting standards dependingon who it is, you make up Rules, you don't vote consistent with the Rules...what basis do you have for credibility.

I don't want you to grant me anything other than to stop lying about me. I don't have different voting standards. I don't make up rules. I vote consistently. Your statements to the contrary are lies. We don't agree on many things, but so be it. But that doesn't mean you can malign my intentions, of which you know nothing.

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I am not attacking you or insulting you, I am pointing things out to youi and i hope you will take them in the vein of one friend to another that they are intended.

Saying that I have different voting standards, make up rules and vote inconsistently are all insults based on false information. Your slanderous contribution notes betray your supposed friendly intentions.

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Now I am sorry I thought this was a Team effort but I guess I am wrong.

It's not a team effort when you insult and denigrate users in your contribution notes. Oh...and calling me "the user" or "sir" instead of my name doesn't mean that you aren't personally attacking me.