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Managing Movies stored on hard drive (ID media type)
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantmediadogg
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You're right, this is a DVD profiling program, but if Ken wants continued sales, this may be a feature he'll have to seriously start considering as downloaded movies become more and more popular.
I mean, if this was called CD Profiler and he refused to implement the ability to log MP3 files - how popular do you think it would be as a piece of software.
Ken's already shown he's willing to move with the times by including HD discs. This request is only asking that he move a bit further, that's all.
Sorry to keep dragging this on, but we seem to keep missing the point that the product already satiisfies the original request. "Hard Drive" is not a media type. It doesn't make sense to add it there. It belongs in Location, or a Tag - both of which are already available. For example, if Media Type = "Hard Drive", where now do you put whether the media format is HDDVD, SDDVD or BluRay? Now, there could be a new field to supplement Location, called "Physical Storage", with pre-defined values such as "Rom Disc", "Hard Drive", "Furniture", "Shelf" or something like that maybe ...
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Yes - as the original request stands, the program already does what he wants to do.
But opening the request up to look at all options, downloaded movies are becoming increasingly popular and so the idea of a hard drive as a "format" is an accurate one.
I think Ken needs to at least consider adding something like this to the program if he wants to future-proof it.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I agree, or perhaps a separate program. i see this area relatively speaking as in its infancy and not ready for prime-time yet. There are a number of questions, that i would have as a designer regarding hard drive storage, what would I use as a key, is there a unique identifier, how can I prevent pirated films from being entered or privately recorded (off air) to name two that immediately spring to mind. They will also have to figure out a way to keep the image quality high while making the data as compact as possible. For anyone interested in building a collection of any size, it seems to be a non-viable answer at this point in time. Then there is always the question of volatility, not that it would be my direct problem as a designer, but I think we are all well aware of just infrequently users adequately backup their data. I have visions of someone losing their hard drive, and not having created adequate backups losing all or part of their collection.<shivering>

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AESP-  OK, this cannot be too hard for you to understand... Everyone I know that uses DVD profiler does so because they want to manage their collection.  Feel free to look us up in AVS Forum and find all the cool ways that DVD Profiler is being used to catalog online DVDs. (see exporting XML to My Movies- to start).  I, however, just want to catalog my collection and provide the proper Media Type description in the program.  I am glad that others have created added functionality to allow this-  I guess I just have not found it.  I have created tags but I cannot see how to get the Tag field into a report to print. (but I am sure I must be missing this)
The funny thing is that there are apparently some people out there that do not realize that physical media is not going to be around forever.  I think that DVD Profiler is a fantastic product but if they are hanging their hat on physical media then this will be a real problem very soon.  I would not think that anyone in the software business would be that short sighted. 
Anyway, thanks for the tips guys, I will see if I can figure out how to print a report with Tags now.




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Anyway,  lets hope that a company progressive enough to create a computerized movie catalog program can understand that their users are capable of choosing their own media type.


This is not a "movie catalog program" this is a DVD profiling program. What is so hard to understand about that?

From the product description :

DVD Profiler can manage any size collection. Extensive data collection, filtering and reporting features specific to DVD, and unique to DVD Profiler.

This is not Movie profiler, VHS profiler, CD profiler, 8MM profiler or hard disc profiler 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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AESP-  OK, this cannot be too hard for you to understand...


And this isn't movie profiler this is DVD Profiler. See DVD not VHS, not laserdisc, not no physical media film profiler.

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Everyone I know that uses DVD profiler does so because they want to manage their collection. 


And they doesn't use it for his main task : profiling DVD

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  I am glad that others have created added functionality to allow this-  I guess I just have not found it.


This is made by other users and that's not a part of the software


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The funny thing is that there are apparently some people out there that do not realize that physical media is not going to be around forever.


Come see me to talk about it when your hard drive will crash and all your files will be lost forever. Already happen to me and don't want to live it another time with my movie collection. The digital download means nothing to me, since I'm a movie collector and I have to hold something in my hand.

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I think that DVD Profiler is a fantastic product


I agree completly with you here
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quite correctly stated. If it ever becomes economically feasible I MIGHT be willing to use my Hard Drive as a backup to my physical collection, but risk my collection and the value of that asset to vagaries  of a product that has a typical useful life of 3-5 years before I move on to the next generation to me simply seems foolish. It has a place, to be sure, but not as the permanent storage site for a very valuable collection. Backups to me are not an issue since I create several backups per day...but there would be a lot of users that will crash and burn, this forum has proven that repeatedly.

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Having read the first page of this thread I was so infuriated I had to make an account just to say my bit.

I want to say that you are the most narrow-minded idiotic bunch of banana-eating monkeys I've ever encountered!  (Yes, that's an insult you dunderheads!)

Mad yet?  GOOD!

Here's my beef:
This thread started out with a simple request from a user for a new feature.  That my foolish turds is the intended purpose for this thread.  Not for you to chime in and say whether or not you agree or disagree with the request.  That's completely irrelevant.  As is the fact that the request has been made before.

I do have one suggestion for anyone who wants the feature that ignited this silly debate.  Go check out Movie Collector.  It's not as elegant to be sure.  But it's easily customizeable to your needs.

My own personal experience taught me that the ONLY good feature of this program (DVD profiler) was it's barcode search and online database.  However I've always immediately exported the data and imported it into a Movie Collector database.  The good news is that Movie Collector now has it's own barcode search and database downloads.  So there's no use for DVD profiler whatsoever anymore!

The only other thing you've got going for you is some pretty looking output reports.  But those can be copied easily enough!  (Since they are user submissions, the copyrights are virtually impossible to enforce.  It's like taking candy from babies -- woah!  Another insult!)  Or if any of the report designers want to make Movie Collector versions of their reports, I'm sure you'd be welcomed with open arms (and open minds) by Movie Collector users.

To the rest of you lot (mainly the feeback contributers to this thread) -- Later turds!

(Anyone as offended by this thread's attack on a user's legitimate request, go check out Movie Collector.  Anyone offended by this post... go stuff yourselves!)

Ex-DVD profiler user.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantmediadogg
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Sad. After all that, seems all we really needed was a report on Tags. I can understand and tolerate all kinds of differences of opinion, but rude, nasty, vulgar behavior is uncalled for and unjustified. I mean, not only did I agree with the basic premise, but I have written code to help make it happen. All I disagreed with was the specific implementation - and now I see that yet another issue was the root cause - no way to get a report, listing all movies stored on a hard drive (also no way to say Location contains "Hard Drive"). I wouldn't be surprised to see this useful feature addded to reports in the future. Until then, I will simply continue to filter on a TAG, flag all filtered, then run my report on "all flagged". Takes a couple more steps, but you get the same thing - a report on "All DVDs with TAG = "Hard Drive". Once again, for all that ranting and raving - yet one more way to do what he wants (wanted).
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantlmoelleb
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I feel sorry for the authors of Movie Collector. Even though I have no interest in Movie Collector I am sure the authors of it has done nothing to deserve being stuck with a user like "thebigbadbear".
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ROFLMAO, Lars. Touche.

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Billy Video
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I am a bit confused. I came here looking for the same as original poster. This thread has completely strayed from original thought.
A user definable media type.
I skiimmed a bunch of this thread
Yes I will try some of the work arounds, but there seems to be 2 main reasons why not.
Legal...there are legal ways to aquire them or create them.
Then someone keeps saying "this is DVD profiler".
HELLO there are more than 3 types of DVD media. Ever heard of a DVD-ROM? Mini-DVD?

Note taken though, feature not supported and do NOT bring it up OR ELSE!
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LOL, you take us way too seriuosly. The point is that there are issues to be considered and resolved. this program is not the type of program that is found elsewhere, it is drastically different and that affects what we do. This is a multi-level database, unlike the single level database you might find at say at collecrorz, locally you can do anything you want with your database and using the Tag system you can create whatever Media might suit your fancy, VHS (virtually dead), Beta(dead and buried), Laser (dead), DivX(never got out of the cradle), mini-disc(ill-conceived) or whatever you want. The issue for DVDProfiler is the Online database, at that level we are ONLY dealing with DVD, HD-DVD and BD, what might happen in the future who knows. One thing I can just about guarantee you, the Program will move forward, I do not expect the developer will ever give us "legacy" video media. It has been requested MANY times over the years, including by THIS user.

If you just write a Program and put out there for people to use, without any consideration of legal ramification, or some of the other points that have been raised you are guaranteed to fail and possibly wind up in trouble.

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You feel newDiVX/VOD/DLable vids and DVD-ROM is legacy? Strange I just bought some DVD players that just added "legacy" support for divx on DVD-ROM. A lot more have been doing mov for a while. And I know a lot of people who use a "legacy" digital vid-cams and do not create a DVD for each video and just save as DiVX and burn to "legacy" DVD-ROMs.
I also thought it cost money to share the content "legally?" online? Still not sure how that works. At least they do not get an invelos watermark added like a lot of sites do.
Access to the data/lo quality is free, but to help correct errors and share hi-quality with invelos costs money?
I only wanted to try it for "my movies" and was dissappointed about lack of user-definable media type, import of flat file or XLS list (copy/paste 300 times) and why most of the HD/BD covers have the HD/BD logo removed to be added by the program.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I think you are confusing DivX FORMAT, with DiVx, which I believe is a file name. The two have no relationship. DivX died, oh 8 years ago? I think.

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Use the tag system, you can handle ANY media format you wish to locally.

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You feel newDiVX/VOD/DLable vids and DVD-ROM is legacy?

Quote: 'The "DivX" brand is distinct from "DIVX" (Digital Video Express), an unrelated attempt by the U.S. retailer Circuit City to develop a DVD rental system requiring special discs and players. The winking emoticon in the early "DivX ;-)" codec name was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the failed DIVX system.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divx
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dissappointed about lack of user-definable media type, import of flat file or XLS list (copy/paste 300 times)

Yes, import is always a stumbling block, although there is a partial workaround with the Import UPC List Plugin.
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and why most of the HD/BD covers have the HD/BD logo removed to be added by the program.

Because the majority thought it would be a good idea. We didn't had a DVD-logo plastered over every DVD-Cover so why do so on HD DVD or BluRay? If you need them you are still free to add them locally.
If you build your own onlinelist you could even automate that, depending on your programming skills.

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