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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Absolutely NOT! Anonymity translates to no accountability. Such a moderator could do an extraordinary amount of damage before Ken could intervene and shut him down. Wow, I agree with John. I suppose stranger things have happened.  | | | | Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would definately vote yes for moderators. My votes would be Unicus and Achim, sorry guys if you don't want the job  | | |  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | I vote for Larry, Curly and Moe. I think they would make awesome moderators. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
|  | JonM | | Registered 28 Dec 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 343 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting johnd:
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Just wanted to clarify this. I mean that a moderator cannot participate in a thread under any user ID at all. In other words, they cannot express an opinion here outside of the moderator function. As I said, I know this sounds hard, but it is the only way to ensure fairness.
Once again, I must disagree. As I said, I did this for a living...meaning I got paid by companies like Invelos to moderate their forums. None of those companies required their moderators to stop participating in the forums. They had a moderator name and a user name. They moderated with one and participated with the other. Fairness was ensured by removing the moderator if they couldn't keep the two separated. Just to continue what you were saying there, Unicus, I was a moderator for the old Virgin.net movie forums up until Virgin closed down their media content and settled for being an ISP. Not only did I contribute, it was part of the "job". Virgin's brief for a moderator was to encourage discussions and keep them flowing. If it was a slow day, I was expected to start a couple of topics. People appreciated seeing me there and for the most part didn't post anything malicious. If I was a silent moderator I know for a fact that it would have degenerated very quickly. Being an active participant means you can guide the conversation away from potential trouble spots. | | | Jon
"When Mister Safety Catch Is Not On, Mister Crossbow Is Not Your Friend."
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Disclaimer: Please note that this is just an example. It is not meant as an attack against Hal or Rifter. No flames please. 
Just as a point of reference, Unicus, since you did use me as an example. I've been in this game long enough to know how to separate my feelings about someone from whether or not they are contributing a proper profile for example, and whether or not they are being fair in a moderated situation. That is something else you should've noticed about me if you've really been paying attention. I'm not a newbie by any means. That's the last word on that from me. Did you miss the disclaimer? That wasn't meant as an attack on you or Hal. I used the first two names, with a well documented history, that came to mind. It could have been any two users with a history. I apologize if you took it to mean something that it didn't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Ultimate, overall responsibility is Ken's, true. But I'm referring to the day to day handling of things. I've seen things spin out of control in such situations in a matter of minutes, particularly in real time forums, but even in the old Fidonet days when everything traveled by packets. I have seen it happen as well. How does knowing who the moderators are prevent that from happening? Known or unknown, a moderator bent on causing problems is going to cause problems.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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Ultimate, overall responsibility is Ken's, true. But I'm referring to the day to day handling of things. I've seen things spin out of control in such situations in a matter of minutes, particularly in real time forums, but even in the old Fidonet days when everything traveled by packets.
I have seen it happen as well. How does knowing who the moderators are prevent that from happening? Known or unknown, a moderator bent on causing problems is going to cause problems. Well, sure, if somebody goes postal it hardly matters. But, what I meant was that your average moderator is less likely to do that sort of thing if people know who he is, in my experience. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Disclaimer: Please note that this is just an example. It is not meant as an attack against Hal or Rifter. No flames please.
Just as a point of reference, Unicus, since you did use me as an example. I've been in this game long enough to know how to separate my feelings about someone from whether or not they are contributing a proper profile for example, and whether or not they are being fair in a moderated situation. That is something else you should've noticed about me if you've really been paying attention. I'm not a newbie by any means. That's the last word on that from me.
Did you miss the disclaimer? That wasn't meant as an attack on you or Hal. I used the first two names, with a well documented history, that came to mind. It could have been any two users with a history. I apologize if you took it to mean something that it didn't. Just wanted to make sure you realized that there is more to it than just animosity. In fact, I probably would've said something similar regardless of the names you picked because I think it is important to realize that nobody is one dimensional. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | If there were moderators on the forum, I'd wanted to know who they were, specially if they would take part in the discussion. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | If Skip is made a moderator, that'll be the end of my contribution to the forum.
EDIT: This is not an attack, or an attempt to start trouble. I would not want a moderator who has repeatedly shown no respect or consideration for the other users, and who bullies in an attempt to get his way. | | | "I am Andrew Ryan and I am here to ask you a question:
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?
No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone.
I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose…
Rapture." | | | | Last edited: by chibul |
|  | Kevin | | Registered March 22, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 609 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
I vote for Larry, Curly and Moe. I think they would make awesome moderators. Souitenly!!! (I don't know how to spell "certainly" like Curly would say it) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 315 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting chibul: Quote:
If Skip is made a moderator, that'll be the end of my contribution to the forum.
EDIT: This is not an attack, or an attempt to start trouble. I would not want a moderator who has repeatedly shown no respect or consideration for the other users, and who bullies in an attempt to get his way. Seeing that that is Ken's decision, I think he his aware of all the things he is looking in a potential moderator. I don't think that any more or less "threatening" posts will influence him. Hence the previous post was, I believe, at least, and not knowing Ken's decision, a bit premature. | | | | With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three thousand miles closer to globular cluster M13 in the constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress. | | | | Last edited: by Skywatcher |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | All right enough of this from you children.  Has anyone seen me say much of anything on this topic, I think i made one post. let me offer a suggestion for ROSS. Has it occurred to you that Ken would have to ask me, and I would have to provide an answer. My answer FYI would be NO, I have too much to do already, there is one area I would be willing to assist Ken and gerri but it is not in the role of moderator. So enough of the personal attacks, already. Despite your claim Ross, it was an attack and totally unnecessary. Let me also go on the record that there are few here, some but not more than a few, that I would be willing to trust with role of moderator and I shall keep them to myself. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Just wanted to make sure you realized that there is more to it than just animosity. In fact, I probably would've said something similar regardless of the names you picked because I think it is important to realize that nobody is one dimensional. I understand now. You are correct that there is more to it than just animosity. I was just attempting to give a simple example. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting chibul: Quote:
If Skip is made a moderator, that'll be the end of my contribution to the forum.
EDIT: This is not an attack, or an attempt to start trouble. I would not want a moderator who has repeatedly shown no respect or consideration for the other users, and who bullies in an attempt to get his way. So much for a 'new place' and a 'new attitude'. I guess the only slate you wanted wiped clean was your own.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Kevin | | Registered March 22, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 609 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
there is one area I would be willing to assist Ken and gerri but it is not in the role of moderator. My god Skip, they don't need help in that area!! All they need is a second honeymoon.   | | | | Last edited: by Kevin |
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