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Should box sets have genres?
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No because this this poll don't change the fact the rules allow for genres. Most people are voting for what they want to see... not what the rules say.

I will continue to vote no to any that does so... as well as resubmit any that does go through.



If the rules were so clear and not ambiguous, there wouldn't be a 4 page discussion on it.
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No because this this poll don't change the fact the rules allow for genres. Most people are voting for what they want to see... not what the rules say.

I will continue to vote no to any that does so... as well as resubmit any that does go through.



If the rules were so clear and not ambiguous, there wouldn't be a 4 page discussion on it.

Not true.  Most of the people who have participated in the discussion have agreed that they are allowed and shouldn't be removed, per the rules.  From what I can tell, the only person who thought the rule was ambiguous, was the OP.

Pete is correct, they seem to be voting based on what they want, not what is allowed.
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I am honestly at a loss here as to why anybody, that doesn't think a Box Set should have a genre, would even care.

If you don't use it, it has no impact on your collection.

I just want to point out that you are mistaken, Martian.
Genres on a box set can result in potentially unwanted hits in a genre search. It may not be a big problem, but it is certainly an impact.

As I don't search by genre, I will concede this point but I will add that it is a minor inconvenience when compared to what those that do use genres for box sets would use.

I will say this, though.  If I treated box sets as nothing but containers that held individual profiles, I would do what surfeur does and leave them out of my collection. 
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As I said in an earlier post I used to think the same way... that it would be better without genres in the parent profile. Even removed them locally at one point. Till I actually started filtering and such on genres seeing for most sets this just made it a much longer and messier list to look through.

Now after seeing the way it works both with and without genres in the parent profile.... I much (MUCH) prefer them in the parent profile.

And as Martian said... looking through this thread most people agree that as the rules are written they belong in the parent profile.
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As I don't search by genre, I will concede this point but I will add that it is a minor inconvenience when compared to what those that do use genres for box sets would use.
That may very well be true.
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I will say this, though.  If I treated box sets as nothing but containers that held individual profiles, I would do what surfeur does and leave them out of my collection
Depending on how you arrange your collection it may be hard to find a certain box set child if you don't know to which parent it belongs.

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looking through this thread most people agree that as the rules are written they belong in the parent profile.
I would prefer to say that most people agree that they are allowed, which is not quite the same thing as they belong. But it's a very fine difference, I admit. And since they are allowed, they shouldn't be removed.

The problem with the OP's question is that it is ambigous. It is either a question of interpreting the rules, or a question of personal preference. If it had been clearly stated as "do the rules allow genres in box sets", then the result would surely have been different.
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I find it interesting that the majority of voters feel the Box Sets' genre field should, like most other data, be left blank.

I find it interesting that 47% of the voters feel that Box Sets should have Genres. Stalemate.
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I will say this, though.  If I treated box sets as nothing but containers that held individual profiles, I would do what surfeur does and leave them out of my collection
Depending on how you arrange your collection it may be hard to find a certain box set child if you don't know to which parent it belongs.

I could be wrong, but I understood Surfeur's statement to mean he has no box set parents in his collection, only individual profiles.

So, to clarify my original statement, if I felt it was just a container that holds individual profiles, and the individual profiles are what is important, I would arrange my collection based on the individual profile.  I simply wouldn't track the 'container'.
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if I felt it was just a container that holds individual profiles, and the individual profiles are what is important, I would arrange my collection based on the individual profile.  I simply wouldn't track the 'container'.

Yes, but let's say that you order your collection alphabetically, and you have this box set

So you sort it under H for "Hammer". But if you want to play "The Snorkel", for example, how would you know where to look? It's not under S for "Snorkel" since they're all in the same box.
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So you sort it under H for "Hammer". But if you want to play "The Snorkel", for example, how would you know where to look? It's not under S for "Snorkel" since they're all in the same box.

Well, I can say what I do with this sort of boxset, where there is no individual packaging. I create a profile for each movie. For each movie the front cover is taken from the original movie poster, and the back cover is the boxset's front cover. I do the same for bonus movies or short movies. So I know immediately where to find them.

Here is an example (bonus film with "Le Chien des Baskerville"):

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Good point, Yves.
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So, bad example from me, but I still suspect that there may be reasons to keep the parent profiles since they will contain some parent specific info, such as price paid (if you care about that). Or if you lend out a box set you probably don't want to have to mark each child profile. Still, for many it would work fine without the parent profiles. It obviously does for Yves.
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... they will contain some parent specific info, such as price paid (if you care about that).

Well, when I buy a boxset 60€ with 6 movies, I enter 10€  for each individual movie. Price of my collection is still exact.
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... they will contain some parent specific info, such as price paid (if you care about that).

Well, when I buy a boxset 60€ with 6 movies, I enter 10€  for each individual movie. Price of my collection is still exact.

Yeah, that works if you're just interested in calculating the total worth of your collection. But it's factually incorrect since you didn't actually pay for each movie separately. If that's of any interest ...
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But it's factually incorrect since you didn't actually pay for each movie separately.

Not really. In this case I pay with 6x10€ bank notes, avoiding a global payment by credit card... 
 
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It depends on which box set we have:
Real Box sets (without cast/crew) should not have a genre.
Technical box sets (e.g. 3D/BD/DVD combos) contain a complete profile. Therefore they need all information including genre.


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