Quoting SwissFilm:

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Those have often the German voicecredits in end credits and as Ken told only the duped language, in this case German, is allowed as it must much the locality.

not in end credit!

Prometheus (2012)

Englisch audio track selected.



German audio track selected.



German voice cast after the main movie.



please note the running times.

Emmeli: Therefor Ken did write this:

I would say that if the localized voice cast is listed in the end credits (whether in a distinct section or not) when the film is played, then they should be included.  Otherwise, not.

Important is the (whether in a distinct section or not). The German Voicecast is added after the normal end of the film as a distinct section, Ken was clear here, I don't know what you bother around this for nothing.

Quoting SwissFilm:

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I don't know what you bother around this for nothing.

Quoting Ken Cole:

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I would say that if the localized voice cast is listed in the end credits (whether in a distinct section or not) when the film is played, then they should be included.  Otherwise, not.

this ...

if (movie == running) {
  if (has_german_voice_cast) {
    write_credit_for_german_voice_cast
  } else {
    additional_credit_not_allowed
  }
}

therefore: after movie != movie played.

Quoting DoubleDownAgain:

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If you don't want them in your local it's VERY easy to remove them, takes literally seconds to do.

Sure, but doing so renders the cast section un-contributable. I'm not German, I would not *ever* want to watch a dubbed version of any film, but I *do* own quite a few German DVD's and Blu-ray's. I'm not interested in German (or any other language, for that matter) dubbing voice actors, but if I wanted to be able to contribute other corrections to the cast section of such a profile, I'd have no choice but to accept them into my database. Since I won't do that, I won't be able to contribute any further cast corrections. Doesn't hurt me, but doesn't seem like the best scenario for the database either. That's why it's an unfortunate approach: it's yet another reason for a number of users to just lock their profiles and no longer bother with the online database.

Never mind, though: Ken has spoken, which is always a good thing: I'm happy with every bit of input we get, even when it doesn't particularly suits me. Better to have something settled, instead of going around in circles on the same subjects for years on end.

Quoting emmeli:

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Quoting SwissFilm:

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I don't know what you bother around this for nothing.

Quoting Ken Cole:

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I would say that if the localized voice cast is listed in the end credits (whether in a distinct section or not) when the film is played, then they should be included.  Otherwise, not.

this ...

if (movie == running) {
  if (has_german_voice_cast) {
    write_credit_for_german_voice_cast
  } else {
    additional_credit_not_allowed
  }
}

therefore: after movie != movie played.

This interpretion is wrong! (and I suspect you knowing this )

I explicitly asked and Ken clarified it with his second post!
Question: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=834738&PageNum=2&messageID=2616668#M2616668
Answer: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=834738&PageNum=2&messageID=2616755#M2616755

The credits are valid if they are shown after the international end credits (I'd say: before the disc menus get shown again: most of the times the sequence is: distributor logos -> international master of the film -> language dependent credit -> localization dependent copyright warnings -> menu; distribution logos and copyright warnings aren't added to the runtime neither, if they are not copied into the master)

Quoting SwissFilm:

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I would say that if the localized voice cast is listed in the end credits (whether in a distinct section or not) when the film is played, then they should be included. Otherwise, not.

They aren't. So Not.

All those Italian, Spanish, German, French... dubbers in the multilingual European releases are not listed in the end credits. I'll be against uncredited trash entries as Cast until my heart stops beating.

Quoting AiAustria:

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The credits are valid if they are shown after the international end credits

There is no such section in the films as "international end credits". There are just the film credits. They are within the film.

And then, there are the annoying distributor things before a film and after a film, depending on the menu selection.

Quoting Ken Cole:

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Quoting AiAustria:

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The credits are valid if they are shown after the international end credits

This is correct.

This is correct. For German language menu selection.
This is incorrect. For Italian language menu selection.
This is incorrect. For Czech language menu selection.
This is incorrect. For Spain language menu selection.
This is incorrect. For Polish language menu selection.
This is incorrect. For French language menu selection.
This is incorrect. For Dutch language menu selection.
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