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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've contributed on profile for the first disc in the box set. Since there is a limit in size for the contribution comments, I use this thread to clarify the contribution and comment the No Votes... Comments on the No Votes: MickySpoon writes: Quote:
wrong title - title must be "Akte X: Season 1: Disc 1" to match cover of the HD Case (per rules) This is not correct. Following the rules, the parent profile has to be named Akte X Season 1-9 (already contributed that). Since there are no season profiles allowed per the rules, the disc level profiles belong to the whole series and therefore have to be named according the parent profile. For sorting purposes I could follow if we decide it to be Akte X Season 1-9: Disc 01, but including the season is against the rules. - The no vote is a violation of the voting rules! silentsign writes: Quote:
This is just wrong. You removed all the correct information. Read the rules for contributing series-box-sets. This profile is a disc level profile; this means, it is for one single disc, not for a season or something else. The rules are not quite specific on this topic but it must be clear, that the information between different disc ID's can't be mixed up. The information I deleted, belongs to other discs, which are profiles prepared for... The no vote is a violation of the voting rules either! SwissFilm writes: Quote:
Sorry, now you start it again. This is the season profile, look my explanations here: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=825118&PageNum=3&messageID=2591382#M2591382 No, this is a disc level profile, which can't be misused to be a season profile, which is not provided by the rules at all. The ongoing comments in the quoted thread clarify this either. The no vote is a violation of the voting rules and offending, since it is based on an opinion already disproved in this thread! The voting rules are quite clear either: Quote:
If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible. Therefore I submitted the first red arrows for the no votes. I won't accept threats via private message either, but forward them to the support team. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | If those voters do not read the forums then your responses to their "no" votes will not be read. It might be better if you send them a pm to explain your rationale for those contributions.
Secondly, I've read posts that suggest the screeners might base their decisions on the percentage of "no" votes, despite the fact that the contribution is correct. In this case I would submit a note to the the support team. Alert them to the problem and the end result might be a suspension of voting rights due to deliberate and consistent violation of the voting rules.
Finally, threats via pm are inexcusable, should be immediately sent to the support forum and action taken to alert the sender that such comments will not be tolerated. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just stop this contribution ping-pong and open a support ticket. Until Ken clarifies this, it is hopeless. No other argument here will bring both sides together. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
If those voters do not read the forums then your responses to their "no" votes will not be read. It might be better if you send them a pm to explain your rationale for those contributions.
Secondly, I've read posts that suggest the screeners might base their decisions on the percentage of "no" votes, despite the fact that the contribution is correct. In this case I would submit a note to the the support team. Alert them to the problem and the end result might be a suspension of voting rights due to deliberate and consistent violation of the voting rules.
Finally, threats via pm are inexcusable, should be immediately sent to the support forum and action taken to alert the sender that such comments will not be tolerated. This post is linked into the contribution notes, and the screeners are alerted there too. Thanks. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SpaceFreakMicha: Quote:
Just stop this contribution ping-pong and open a support ticket. Until Ken clarifies this, it is hopeless. No other argument here will bring both sides together. Until now, I'd like to trust the screeners. That's why I started a trial to correct the profiles - the rules are out of doubt, therefore it should be easy; should be... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SwissFilm: Quote:
TheMadMartian
Please tell me exactly where this is written, I can't find it in the rules. There is nowhere written that this way as I like it is forbidden. And you really tell me, because of the missing EAN per season, I have to have 55 profiles in my database to be rule conform? What a mess, 55 times same cover and informations like overview, a big database for absolutely nothing. Per season is really enough, I would never take 55 profiles in my database just because of a rule. Then I maintain my season profiles well, and I am sure the disc profiles are sooner or later a mess.
Fritz I am sorry but this is against the rules. It is a rule Ken himself came up with because we all couldn't agree on a rule over multiple threads in the rules committee forum. Ken ended up going even stricter on this then any of us asked for. From the TV Series Rules: Quote:
In cases where multiple complete TV seasons/series (each with distinct UPC/EAN) are packaged together, the Box-set rules are applied, treating each season/series like a single film - applying the above rules for its individual profile. Note in particular what I put in bold. Whenever there is a release with more then one season the only way we are allowed to have season profiles in the main database (of course as always we can do what ever we want locally) is not only when each season has it's own packaging... but the season packaging (within the series set) has it's own distinct UPC/EAN. If it does not then all the info goes in the main (complete series) profile and we have the option for disc level profiles attached to it. And no... the overviews would not be the same as the disc level profiles also has their own rules which tells us to have overviews of the episodes not the overview from the parent. This rule was updated with the last rules update. So while people may have done things differently in the past... this is how it must be done for the online now. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Quoting SwissFilm:
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Ufff... I find the Box with one profile for each season enough. We have now the box and attached 9 profiles for each of the 9 seasons with Disc-ID as no EAN is present. Each season has about 7 discs. So this would be over 60 profiles if done per disc. This is two much and really brings nothing than a lot of work. I would lock my profile and never accept in my collection such a mess. One profile per season is more than enough and good to work with.
Fritz
I tend to agree, before we know it someone will want 202 profiles ... one for each episode. I for one would love per episode profiles. That would give me perfect watched stats and perfect numbers for cast and crew unlike season or disc levels. But Ken decided against it so that ok,... not for the main online... at least not for now. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,639 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I for one would love per episode profiles. That would give me perfect watched stats and perfect numbers for cast and crew unlike season or disc levels. But Ken decided against it so that ok,... not for the main online... at least not for now. I'm not opposed to having a way to capture the unique data for each episode. I just think having a separate profile for each episode would be the wrong way to go about it. I'd prefer to see a program change that allows you to capture that same info, for multiple episodes, within one profile. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am open to however it can be done.  | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 16, 2010 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 516 |
| | Posted: | | | | If though, they should first put all the good and corrected Cast and Crew from all 9 seasons into the main profile before removing it and contributing in the disc profiles again wrong BY's, missing crosslinks and other.
Once all is in the main profile then they can work on the disc profiles. I hate loosing good Crew and Cast due to such things. | | | *
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is totally up to the person that is doing the contributions. While it would be nice to be done that way... you can not tell other people what profiles to contribute when. And you can't vote against correct contributions just because they don't decide to do it in the order you prefer.
That being said.... the profiles should be done right... meaning correct language in the overview for that locality, etc. etc. If it is not then I can see voting no. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SwissFilm: Quote:
If though, they should first put all the good and corrected Cast and Crew from all 9 seasons into the main profile before removing it and contributing in the disc profiles again wrong BY's, missing crosslinks and other.
Once all is in the main profile then they can work on the disc profiles. I hate loosing good Crew and Cast due to such things. As already explained in a private message, I'll contribute cast and crew for the main profile, when the structure is corrected. But I won't risk no votes on the current contribution for some minor glitch. Until now each and every no vote is violating the voting rules and I hope, support will react. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
That is totally up to the person that is doing the contributions. While it would be nice to be done that way... you can not tell other people what profiles to contribute when. And you can't vote against correct contributions just because they don't decide to do it in the order you prefer.
That being said.... the profiles should be done right... meaning correct language in the overview for that locality, etc. etc. If it is not then I can see voting no. Yes, but starting with a undoubtable subset could be wise  ... MickeySpoon is already pissed: lately he voted against the contribution of the common name for Sam Jones: The facts: • The common name thread is untouched for three weeks; • CLT says 90:73 for Sam Jones • Confirmed credits 11:5 for Sam Jones • Unconfirmed credits 18:14 for Sam Jones His vote: No Comment: there is still no conclusion about the common name of Sam Jones (He doesn't read my PMs - correction: now he blocked my PMs  - and revoked his yes vote on another contribution) In such an environment every character too much could prevent the contribution from being accepted...  | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I for one would love per episode profiles. That would give me perfect watched stats and perfect numbers for cast and crew unlike season or disc levels. But Ken decided against it so that ok,... not for the main online... at least not for now. I'd prefer a structure for episodes either - I'd extend this wish to any type of feature: • Sngle episodes • Documentaries packaged with films (currently listed as featurette) • Bonusfilms and shorts delivered with other films • etc. But this would need a complete database redesign (I'd tend to say: a database design). This won't work on the base of profiles which mangle personal data (cast and crew details), feature data (cast&crew list, runtime, etc.), technical data (format, color, etc.), physical data (media, region coding, covers, overview) and structural data (box sets, disc IDs, locality). Only if we could evolve to a structure where one single data set represents one feature (for all localities, for all media types, for each and every disc, ...) this amount of detail could be handled... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: May 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 516 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
That is totally up to the person that is doing the contributions. While it would be nice to be done that way... you can not tell other people what profiles to contribute when. And you can't vote against correct contributions just because they don't decide to do it in the order you prefer.
That being said.... the profiles should be done right... meaning correct language in the overview for that locality, etc. etc. If it is not then I can see voting no. No problem, there where enough other failures to vote no, like BY Frank Welker 1945 which is forbidden. But it was anyway accepted and the BY is now in the Disc profiles, what does not bother me because I do not have them :-). | | | *
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SwissFilm: Quote:
If though, they should first put all the good and corrected Cast and Crew from all 9 seasons into the main profile before removing it and contributing in the disc profiles again wrong BY's, missing crosslinks and other.
Once all is in the main profile then they can work on the disc profiles. I hate loosing good Crew and Cast due to such things. On this, I agree with you. If there are 9 profiles, with correct cast and crew, I believe the person trying to create disc level profiles should copy that data into the parent profile BEFORE they remove it from the disc level profiles. The parent is, after all, the one that is required. This is especially true if, as you claim, the data being copied from the US profiles is incorrect. In addition to that, if the US data is incorrect, the data in the 9 profiles should be copied into the individual disc level profiles as well. I've done complete TV Series sets before, and they are time consuming, but if you're going to tackle them, they should be done correctly the first time. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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