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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting hal9g:
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I'm not talking about searching for it in my own collection. I'm talking about the online database. No way would I search for this title as Zombie: Double Feature if I were trying to add it to my collection by title.
I am talking about the online database as well. Assuming this was profiled properly, if you search for 'Dead Season', you will get the child profile for that film and, because it is in a single case, you will get the cover scans for this set with the actual UPC shown so, again, I don't see what the big deal is here.
That being said, there is really no way you would search for this title as 'Zombie Double Feature'? While I rarely search by title, if I were to search for ''Dead Season', 'State of Emergency' or 'Dead Season / State of Emergency' with no results, my next search would be for 'Zombie Double Feature'. I honestly can't think of a reason why anyone wouldn't.
So, would you rename all five of the Midnite Movies Double Features that I posted earlier. How would that be useful in any way to have those five releases listed in the database with the same title? If I wanted to collect all the Midnite Movies series from MGM. I would type in Midnite Movies because I wouldn't know what films were released in the series. Guess what, none of the MGM releases show up not even the single releases that should have it in the title of the release. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
If I wanted to collect all the Midnite Movies series from MGM. I would type in Midnite Movies because I wouldn't know what films were released in the series. Guess what, none of the MGM releases show up not even the single releases that should have it in the title of the release. Quoting the Rules: Quote:
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections Since Midnite Movies is clearly a collection of movies it absolutely belongs in the Edition field, NOT the title field, according to the rules. TheMadMartian knows this full well, which is why he has not responded to my direct question. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Shouldn't this follow Box Set rules?
If not, why not? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Shouldn't this follow Box Set rules?
If not, why not? It does follow boxset rules. The question is, what is the title of the boxset? | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: June 1, 2013 |  Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | I probably should stay out of this as it does not concern me in the least (in my own local I create a separate profile for every single film, regardless of box title or how many movies on 1 disc)....but since the title of the thread is "Opinions Needed: Title" ....and op asks "I want opinions on this release", I'll offer mine, for whats its worth.....  The title of this release, to me, is "Zombie Double Feature", not "Dead Season/State of Emergency"  In the same way the title of this release is "10 Film Horror Pack", not "Fear Chamber/Curse of the Wolf/ etc"  ..."10 Film Horror Pack", not "Shaded Places/Wages of Sin/ etc."  ..."10-Film Horror Pack", not "Crazed Creatures/Live Animals/ etc" My opinion. No doubt others will have different ones. |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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If I wanted to collect all the Midnite Movies series from MGM. I would type in Midnite Movies because I wouldn't know what films were released in the series. Guess what, none of the MGM releases show up not even the single releases that should have it in the title of the release.
Quoting the Rules:
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The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections
Since Midnite Movies is clearly a collection of movies it absolutely belongs in the Edition field, NOT the title field, according to the rules.
TheMadMartian knows this full well, which is why he has not responded to my direct question. It is a series of DVD's put out by MGM, and should clearly be the first part of the DVD title. The same as The Criterion Collection should be the first part of the DVD title with the movie as the subtitle, such as The Criterion Collection: Homicide with the original title Homicide. But Ken set it up wrong from the beginning and it's really to late to fix it now. You treat it more of a movie database than a DVD database. Toy Story / Toy Story 2 Region 1 Released: 10/17/2000 [/DIVLEFT] [DIVLEFT MARGIN="10px"]  such as the title of this Box Set, which is clearly wrong and people have tried to fix the title but get voted no and declined. How stupid are the people who vote no and the screeners that decline it. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
It is a series of DVD's put out by MGM, and should clearly be the first part of the DVD title. The same as The Criterion Collection should be the first part of the DVD title with the movie as the subtitle, such as The Criterion Collection: Homicide with the original title Homicide. But Ken set it up wrong from the beginning and it's really to late to fix it now. You treat it more of a movie database than a DVD database.
Toy Story / Toy Story 2 Region 1 Released: 10/17/2000 [/DIVLEFT] [DIVLEFT MARGIN="10px"]
such as the title of this Box Set, which is clearly wrong and people have tried to fix the title but get voted no and declined. How stupid are the people who vote no and the screeners that decline it. I see zero logic in making "The Criterion Collection" part of the title field, so I guess I'm glad Ken got it "wrong". As far as the Toy Story release, I agree, the title is not correct. Nowhere on the cover does it say Toy Story / Toy Story 2. The title should be Toy Story 2 Pack (not Disney-Pixar Toy Story 2 Pack) | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules themselves tells us The Criterion Collection belongs in the Edition field... not the title field.... Rules Quote: Quote:
Edition
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard edition, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
Edition is generally displayed on the front cover, but may also be gathered from the back cover if present.
Do not enter media types (such as "Blu-Ray + DVD + Digital Copy") into the edition or title field.
As you see I put in bold... So obviously Ken (who after all made all the final decisions on the rules) wants it that way. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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If I wanted to collect all the Midnite Movies series from MGM. I would type in Midnite Movies because I wouldn't know what films were released in the series. Guess what, none of the MGM releases show up not even the single releases that should have it in the title of the release.
Quoting the Rules:
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The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections
Since Midnite Movies is clearly a collection of movies it absolutely belongs in the Edition field, NOT the title field, according to the rules.
TheMadMartian knows this full well, which is why he has not responded to my direct question. You need to have your crystal ball, tarot cards, gypsy fortune teller or whatever you used to determine what I know checked as that is not what I know. In my opinion, 'Midnite Movies' is a series of releases. That being the case, 'Midnite Movies' is, in my opinion, the title of those releases. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I see zero logic in making "The Criterion Collection" part of the title field, so I guess I'm glad Ken got it "wrong". I see zero logic in it as well because 'The Criterion Collection' is neither a part of the title nor is it an edition as 'The Criterion Collection' is a media company. I know why it was included as an edition in the rules, but that's a discussion for another time. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
OK... so I used the word right instead of helpful. Either way why would it be helpful in other cases but not this case? Seems like to me because it doesn't give the desired result that "Zombie Double Feature" is not on the spine so it just is of no help to us this time.
Or just maybe it is not on the spine because it is not the name of the release. Or maybe you are looking for an all or none answer and there just isn't one. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | No... I am the one that has been saying from the start that it isn't an all or nothing answer. I just do not see Zombie Double Feature as the title to this release. So I looked to the usual other places to help determine the title... nothing there supports Zombie Double Feature. And as of yet I see nothing in this thread that convinces me it is the title to the release.
Sometimes the title would be something similar to that... I fully admit that... but only sometimes. In this case I see it as nothing more then an edition at the most. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: June 1, 2013 | | Posts: 217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
And as of yet I see nothing in this thread that convinces me it is the title to the release.
This may (or not) be of interest to you.  From Hi-Def Digest review.  From official distributor Image website. Note: Not trying to change your mind. You can call the release whatever you like. |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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It is a series of DVD's put out by MGM, and should clearly be the first part of the DVD title. The same as The Criterion Collection should be the first part of the DVD title with the movie as the subtitle, such as The Criterion Collection: Homicide with the original title Homicide. But Ken set it up wrong from the beginning and it's really to late to fix it now. You treat it more of a movie database than a DVD database.
Toy Story / Toy Story 2 Region 1 Released: 10/17/2000 [/DIVLEFT] [DIVLEFT MARGIN="10px"]
such as the title of this Box Set, which is clearly wrong and people have tried to fix the title but get voted no and declined. How stupid are the people who vote no and the screeners that decline it.
I see zero logic in making "The Criterion Collection" part of the title field, so I guess I'm glad Ken got it "wrong".
As far as the Toy Story release, I agree, the title is not correct. Nowhere on the cover does it say Toy Story / Toy Story 2. The title should be Toy Story 2 Pack (not Disney-Pixar Toy Story 2 Pack) And you are correct it should be Toy Story 2 Pack. Now a trivia ? - who is the original contributor of this Box set? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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I see zero logic in making "The Criterion Collection" part of the title field, so I guess I'm glad Ken got it "wrong".
I see zero logic in it as well because 'The Criterion Collection' is neither a part of the title nor is it an edition as 'The Criterion Collection' is a media company. I know why it was included as an edition in the rules, but that's a discussion for another time. "The Criterion Collection" is most certainly a "collection" of films therefore there is no doubt that it falls under the definition of an "Edition" per the rules. It also happens to be a media company, but that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Are you also saying that all of the "Fox Studio Classics", "Fox War Classics", "Cinema Classics", "Columbia Classics", "Hollywood Classics", "MGM Contemporary Classics", "MGM Vintage Classics", "Miramax Classics", "Silver Screen Classics", "Universal Cinema Classics" and "Warner Archive Collection" films are all in the database wrong? Should those "collection" names also be included in the titles of those films? I love it when people want to change something as important as the title after we've been doing it the same way for 18 years. SMH! Actually, I think you just enjoy being a contrarian. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting hal9g:
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I see zero logic in making "The Criterion Collection" part of the title field, so I guess I'm glad Ken got it "wrong".
I see zero logic in it as well because 'The Criterion Collection' is neither a part of the title nor is it an edition as 'The Criterion Collection' is a media company. I know why it was included as an edition in the rules, but that's a discussion for another time.
"The Criterion Collection" is most certainly a "collection" of films therefore there is no doubt that it falls under the definition of an "Edition" per the rules. It also happens to be a media company, but that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Are you also saying that all of the "Fox Studio Classics", "Fox War Classics", "Cinema Classics", "Columbia Classics", "Hollywood Classics", "MGM Contemporary Classics", "MGM Vintage Classics", "Miramax Classics", "Silver Screen Classics", "Universal Cinema Classics" and "Warner Archive Collection" films are all in the database wrong? Should those "collection" names also be included in the titles of those films?
I love it when people want to change something as important as the title after we've been doing it the same way for 18 years. SMH!
Actually, I think you just enjoy being a contrarian. 18 years. Now I understand why. You've been conditioned into doing it wrong for so long, you can't understand how to do it right. Somebody owes you 18 years of apologies. |
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