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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
A few peopel, for reason I don't quite understand, like to have the BYs for actors whether or not they are needed. A correct BY, whether it is needed or not, does no harm. That's a good enough reason to keep it. --------------- |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
undebated data Actually I'm not sure that something like this exists in DVDProfiler-Land. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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A few peopel, for reason I don't quite understand, like to have the BYs for actors whether or not they are needed.
A correct BY, whether it is needed or not, does no harm. That's a good enough reason to keep it.
--------------- I never said it did any harm, only that I don't understand the desire to know that information, even after surfeur51's explanation...but that might be because I don't use headshots in my database. I toyed with it for a bit, but found that I don't use Profiler that way. If I want to know what an actor looks like, it's much easier, and more convenient, to use Google. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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undebated data
Actually I'm not sure that something like this exists in DVDProfiler-Land. I have to agree with Lewis here. While there is data that I don't think should be debated, there are always people that find a reason to debate it.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course anything might be debated but it seems to me that majority of the debates revolve around the same old topics. And, in most of those cases, they don't effect the majority of profiles. It might have been better if I did not use that term. But, what I meant by "undebated" issues are things such as: Contriibute missing data. I have found hundreds of profiles that don't have Running Time, Studios, Overviews, Covers etc. I don't like to update TV show data and many of those in my collection are in dire need of attention. Even basic data would be an improvement to what we have now. Of course if my suggesting that there is data that won't be debated is debatable, it's no wonder the database is a mess!  | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
A few peopel, for reason I don't quite understand, like to have the BYs for actors whether or not they are needed. Because then I don't have to worry whether or not a second actor with the same name does come along and I end up having to sort their entries apart. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I never said it did any harm, only that I don't understand the desire to know that information You don't need to understand it. The people who don't want to throw away good information understand it. Quote:
I don't use headshots in my database. I toyed with it for a bit, but found that I don't use Profiler that way. If I want to know what an actor looks like, it's much easier, and more convenient, to use Google. The reason you think it's easier to use Google is because you don't use headshots. Believe me, it's often very difficult finding useful headshots for character actors from 60-80 year old films. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just a couple of comments re headshots and birthyears. 1) First of all, birthyears is for many users (me included) "interesting information", in the category "nice to know", nothing that important, really. BUT having birthyears for actors who don't "need" them as far as Invelos online database goes, is proactive in a way. As this is accumulative data as time marches on, it is inevitable that we will have namesakes for many actors every now and then. And since DVDP still uses birthyears as the way to differentiate those namesakes, I think it's good to have them ready in your local db. It certainly doesn't do any harm. 2) For me headshots are very nice visual addition to every movie in my db. It is certainly not the same as looking up the face in Google (for me)  When I browse my collection within DVDP, it is great to see those faces pop up on the screen. You are instantly shown the participants (no text listing does that the same way) of the movie and it also kind of takes you back to the movie itself, seeing the faces, remembering their roles... this, again, is nothing important, but a very nice addition when you are browsing your collection. | | | Mika
I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
For me headshots are very nice visual addition to every movie in my db.... this, again, is nothing important, but a very nice addition when you are browsing your collection. I agree, and that's one of the features I most like about DVD Profiler.  --------------- |
|  | W0m6at | | You're in for it now Tony |
| Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 1,091 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Which layout is that you're using? | | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting W0m6at: Quote:
Which layout is that you're using? It's one I created. --------------- |
| | Registered: February 12, 2014 | | Posts: 57 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just got back from a little "Spring Break" break and … wow, I kinda feel like the cow that kicked over the lantern and started the Chicago fire.  Or I would if it didn't look like everyone was having so much fun.  Anyway, some questions I asked earlier have been lost in the fray and I have some new ones. If they don't get/can't be answered, well, c'est la vie: 1) What - according to the site's rules - are "cover scans"? Can I download freely available cover pix from Google? Folks who wish to enforce ownership of such photos post them so that one can't copy them (or can only copy small, lo-res versions). Or is that verboten? I can scan, but I can get clearer scans without the case (because the plastic reflects a bit of light), however, if I'm reading correctly, scans should/must include the case? Is that correct? The only info I've found so far says nothing about this, only about having better image quality than existing covers. 2) I've also seen reference somewhere to being able to add extra pictures (screencaps, concert shots, etc.) but, other than front and back covers, I can find no place for such pix. Is there such a place (and if so, where) or have I simply misread something? 3) Real-world example Q's from trying to add info to one DVD: (this is not intended as sarcasm or joking, just actual confusion on my part) A) This DVD lists the back-up singers first, not the star - do I have to list them first? Plus, they are credited (on one page/screen) with a one-time Group name at the top - The Queens of Rhythm (which sounds more like drummers than singers) - and then the four vocalists names are listed below. So, do I list the group name only (and credit as ...?), do I only list the 4 singers only, can I say their role is back-up singer or vocalist or do I list the group name as a role? Also, the first lady is listed as Queen Esther Marrow (although her "real" name is Esther Marrow - QEM is an alias). Do I just list her name as Esther Marrow or do I have to list Queen as a first name and Esther as a middle name?  B) The Lead Guitar player is listed as Guitar - Can I list him as Lead Guitar? Also, the bass player sings backup and I have him as "Bass Guitar, Vocals", but on-screen, all it says is "Bass" - is that all I can list? C) A name is credited as "Editor". Other sources tell me he's a film editor, not a sound editor, can I list him as a "Film Editor" or must I only list "Editor". And if only "Editor", can I put him under Film Editing or must I just list him under Other as "Editor"? D) Amidst the people is the credit : "Produced By Wolfboy Productions" - do we ignore that because it's not a person (at least 5 people producers are listed)? Wolfboy is one of several companies listed on the back cover but I don't know where to put them. E) Finally (because I didn't list every credit after those mentioned), two folks are listed under "Additional Editing" - could be film, could be sound. Do I put them under film or under Other (in either location, "Additional Editing" would be the role)? 4) Am I building a bad reputation by early rejections as I learn the ropes? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Early Memphis: Quote:
1) What - according to the site's rules - are "cover scans"? Take the covers out of the case and scan them as stated in rules. Quote:
2) I've also seen reference somewhere to being able to add extra pictures (screencaps, concert shots, etc.) but, other than front and back covers, I can find no place for such pix. Is there such a place (and if so, where) or have I simply misread something? Via 'View' and then 'Windows' in the menu you can turn on the 'Gallery' window which allows you to add any picture you want to the window. I use this for movie posters. Head shots are added to actor information in the actor lists. Quote:
A) This DVD lists the back-up singers first, not the star - do I have to list them first? Plus, they are credited (on one page/screen) with a one-time Group name at the top - The Queens of Rhythm (which sounds more like drummers than singers) - and then the four vocalists names are listed below. So, do I list the group name only (and credit as ...?), do I only list the 4 singers only, can I say their role is back-up singer or vocalist or do I list the group name as a role? Also, the first lady is listed as Queen Esther Marrow (although her "real" name is Esther Marrow - QEM is an alias). Do I just list her name as Esther Marrow or do I have to list Queen as a first name and Esther as a middle name? 1. Credits MUST always be taken from the screen credits and duplicated in EXACTLY the same order as they appear on screen. 2. By the sounds of it you should include 'The Queens of Rhythm' as a Group divider. 3. Esther Marrow is the name in the database and you would add the 'Credited As' entry of 'Queen Esther Marrow' - stating this is a stage name/alias. Documentary evidence of this would be a good idea. Quote:
B) The Lead Guitar player is listed as Guitar - Can I list him as Lead Guitar? Also, the bass player sings backup and I have him as "Bass Guitar, Vocals", but on-screen, all it says is "Bass" - is that all I can list? Once again, only duplicate what is on screen. Don't embellish or elaborate for roles. Quote:
C) A name is credited as "Editor". Other sources tell me he's a film editor, not a sound editor, can I list him as a "Film Editor" or must I only list "Editor". And if only "Editor", can I put him under Film Editing or must I just list him under Other as "Editor"? The Editor (film editor) normally appears early in the credits so that should be easy to spot. Sound crew tend to be grouped together in the credits or have 'sound' attached. I wouldn't include 'Editor' in the sound crew. Quote:
D) Amidst the people is the credit : "Produced By Wolfboy Productions" - do we ignore that because it's not a person (at least 5 people producers are listed)? Wolfboy is one of several companies listed on the back cover but I don't know where to put them. Yes, you ignore it. The rules state only PEOPLE should be included, not companies. Quote:
E) Finally (because I didn't list every credit after those mentioned), two folks are listed under "Additional Editing" - could be film, could be sound. Do I put them under film or under Other (in either location, "Additional Editing" would be the role)? As a rules, don't include 'additional' anything. I personally track 'additional music' but I never submit it. I NEVER include 'additional' people to any other crew field. Quote:
4) Am I building a bad reputation by early rejections as I learn the ropes? NO. Everyone makes mistakes. I would say you would be better served reading the contribution rules about 50 times to really get them in your head. I would also compare the rules to your next contribution BEFORE you submit. What you've asked here IS covered in the rules. Hope this helps. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Early Memphis: Quote:
1) What - according to the site's rules - are "cover scans"? Can I download freely available cover pix from Google? Folks who wish to enforce ownership of such photos post them so that one can't copy them (or can only copy small, lo-res versions). Or is that verboten? I can scan, but I can get clearer scans without the case (because the plastic reflects a bit of light), however, if I'm reading correctly, scans should/must include the case? Is that correct? The only info I've found so far says nothing about this, only about having better image quality than existing covers.
Cover scans are just that, the dvd/bd packaging art work. These must match the UPC of the profile contributing The preferable method, is to scan them with your personal scanner. As far as taking them from other sites, I am sure that there isn't a lot that can be done to prove that you did not do them yourself. No watermarks are allowed, and sites like DVDEmpire.com like putting a copyright tag on there displayed cover art If the DVD/BD did not come with any external packaging like a slip cover or a box, then the sleeve art is to be scanned. PLEASE remove that artwork from the plastic sleeve prior to scanning it. We are not looking for the Blu Ray logo that is embossed into the plastic covers. If it came with a slipcover, like most first run BD's come with, then that scan must be of the slipcover. Be sure when you scan the rear cover, that the upc shows through the hole. Unfirtunately this will preclude you from doing a flat scan, so do the best you can. Cover scans of children are typically referenced from the parent. In some cases the children will have separate , ie a boxset that comes with separate keepcovers. If this is the case, then the children will have there own scan, while the parent will be the outer packaging. The system can only take 1 image set per profile. Images will be of the earlies release, therefore submitting a re release cover will not be approved. Sometimes there are multiple releases with different packaging with the same upc released at the same time, in this case it will be first in wins, and that shall stay. The DVD child in most combo packs are released with miltiple parents (BD+DVD or 3D+DVD), again this will be a first in stays. Submitting new scans, to replace previous scans, must show improvement, and sometimes you will have to point out that improvement in your notes. ***remember when submitting, that your locality matches the scan you are submitting for. Canada and US often have same upc, but the scans are different for each locality. Not a complete description, but should be enough to get started... Charlie |
| | Registered: February 12, 2014 | | Posts: 57 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Take the covers out of the case and scan them as stated in rules.
Via 'View' and then 'Windows' in the menu you can turn on the 'Gallery' window which allows you to add any picture you want to the window. I use this for movie posters.
1. Credits MUST always be taken from the screen credits and duplicated in EXACTLY the same order as they appear on screen.
2. By the sounds of it you should include 'The Queens of Rhythm' as a Group divider.
3. Esther Marrow is the name in the database and you would add the 'Credited As' entry of 'Queen Esther Marrow' - stating this is a stage name/alias. Documentary evidence of this would be a good idea.
I actually do read the rules, but things are not as clear as you're suggesting (at least to a newbie  ) … Cover Scans: Actually, unless there's a section other than "Cover Images", that's not in the rules. All it says is "If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image." Gallery: I thought there might be a source within a particular movie. As far as the 'Gallery' window, not only will it not let me paste in any pictures but the Cntrl+G command appears to be useless as well. I also pasted some test pix into the existing "ScenePhotos" folder but saw them nowhere either. In any case, if I couldn't assign them to a particular movie, adding extra pix wouldn't do me much good. Credits: Unfortunately, I have yet to come across anything that clarifies what "a Group divider" is (and the name refers to cast, not crew : "List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name"). Also, Esther Marrow is not in the database, so I didn't have the opportunity to look for the 'Credited As' field. Likewise, "Editor" is not listed in the crew table provided in the "Credits" section, thus the question. The rules don't appear to allow me to assume anything, for any reason including that "editor" means "film editor" based on position. And this, being a "concert film" of music, who can say other than what I've seen elsewhere - which I can't cite. This only leaves the "Other" section - hence my frustration & confusion since I'm reasonably certain that he is a film editor. I'm not trying to be snide and I appreciate any help I can get, but I have gone over the sections of rules pertaining to these particular instances, and it's still unclear (again, especially to a newbie ). So, if you're referring to rules you think I missed, please provide a location and I'll get right on them.  _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Thanks, Charlie!  I'm not ready for whole families just yet (I never could add the Dark Knight movies to their box set parent in order to submit them, only for my own local collection. But I figured I'd start with a single movie to submit a small cast and crew before worrying about parents and children - or any other family members. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Quoting Early Memphis:
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2) I've also seen reference somewhere to being able to add extra pictures (screencaps, concert shots, etc.) but, other than front and back covers, I can find no place for such pix. Is there such a place (and if so, where) or have I simply misread something?
Via 'View' and then 'Windows' in the menu you can turn on the 'Gallery' window which allows you to add any picture you want to the window. I use this for movie posters.
Head shots are added to actor information in the actor lists.
You can also use Gallery window to add screen captures of the movie, using layouts as this one :  And you can find screen captures for more than 3000 movies on this site | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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