Quoting ateo357:

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The problem with that is that the common name is not always the accented name

Compare:
David Castañeda on IMDb (Link)

They don't necessarily use the accented variant neither.
And before someone complains: This is one random example I just ran into while auditing "End of Watch".

Quoting Pantheon:

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That's what everyone who uses the Credited As function is trying to do. It's not perfect, but it's all we have at the moment; so surely you could just make the best of it?

I have studied this question for years, and think there is no hope to achieve anything useful.

To demonstrate what I mean, we must remember how was built existing database :

Before 2008, names were entered in dvdprofiler following correct spelling, as common sense dictated to do. So most profiles entered before 2008 used correct accentuation. When blu-ray arrived, many profiles were copied from corresponding DVDs, and correct accentuation propagated on some new profiles. So, when CLT was created, its results gave a large majority for correctly accented names.

But in 2008, Ken made a clarification about the way to handle capitalized accented letters when converted to small letters, that ignore correct spelling of names in favor of simplicity for contributors.

The problem is that most credits are totally capitalized, so hundreds of names, that were entered correctly spelled during several years, became suddenly wrong according to Invelos rules. Some of them were corrected per the rules during the last five years, some were not. In the same time, as the clarification was not put in the rules, and remainded hidden somwhere in the forum, some contributors submitted profiles with the correct spelling of actors, which were generally accepted.

To know the true (per rules) CLT results, you have to open a common names thread. Let us take the Gérard Depardieu example:
I opened the common name thread just 3 years ago. At that time, CLT rough results were :

"Gérard Depardieu" is credited in 340 titles (1025 profiles)
"Gerard Depardieu" is credited in 118 titles (242 profiles)

That would make Gérard Depardieu as Common name. Unfortunately, many credits are GERARD DEPARDIEU and have to be corrected (per rules).

Three years after the opening of the thread, we have 18 confirmed for Gerard Depardieu, 19 for Gérard Depardieu, and 103 without confirmation. Note that among the 37 confirmed credits, I gave myself 21 (all those I have in my collection). So, three years after opening the common name thread, we are very very far to be able to prove the real (per the rules) common name.

And Gérard Depardieu is just one among the 1500 accented names I have in my collection.

Really, improving the database under those conditions is Mission: Impossible, and even Tom Cruise will not be able to do anything ...


Note that if Ken had followed Gerry's opinion, I could have given you in one hour the 1500 common names of accented names in my collection.

How many years to get one common name, against one hour to get 1500, where is the error ????

I guess the answer to your question about how long is, forever when people don't correct profiles (because the don't agree with the rules or just don't have time to, or maybe just don't care). 2 weeks if a person is trying to prove a point.

Quoting surfeur51:

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Quoting ateo357:

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You posted the same for André Maranne a few weeks back.

Not at all. The situation is very different as common name for André Maranne has been found (after more than 3 years, and, at my knowledge it is one of the very few accented names with a verified common name, if not the only one). For Depardieu, we have still to verify more than 100 credits before being sure of the common name. Only after that you can correct credits, and I think it will take more than two weeks to correct the ~1300 profiles of Depardieu.

Can always start with what's been verified already. Making sure the profiles for confirmed screen credits match.
And I was also working on Luis Guzman, Rosine "Ace" Hatem, Gil Combs, Bobby Newmyer, Thomas Rosales, Jr. and doing full audits. It all depends on how much time you want to put into it.

When they get confirmed I'll take the challenge.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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You need to recheck your history as your statement is incorrect.  It was one vocal user that claimed this was incorrect.  Everybody else, myself included, thought Gerri's original statement was the correct choice.  Ken chose to go against the majority opinion

I wrote "some very vocal users". Though I agree that you (and the majority) preferred Gerri's statement, several users prefered Ken's, not only one.

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Quoting Winston Smith:

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Gerri: It's going to be a mess and makes the CLT virtually worthless.But so be it.

Quoting Bad Father:

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While I appreciate the clarification...this is going to open up an industrial sized can-O-worms. I can see it now...a sleu of contributions for every hispanic name in the database will now be submitted with accents and tildes   .

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Thanks for the clarification Ken. It makes sense to me now. Most credited form is still what we are looking for... and as for accents... it is as Skip has tried to say all along...

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Quoting T!M:

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Ken: many thanks for this "definitive" clarification!

Quoting kdh1949:

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Quoting T!M:

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Ken: many thanks for this "definitive" clarification!

As well as a much-needed one.  Thank you.

Quoting Winston Smith:

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T Well, now it is ove, there are NO cultural issues any longer, you do it as I always tried to explain, and the CA is for Most Commonly Credited, cultural issues belong exactly where I always believed they should have been LOCAL. Its over and finished now drop it.

I am the first to admit that I prefer the way Ken decided as long as we have the linking system we have.

But even so All I was doing there was (as Martian stated) thank Ken for making a final decision.  And making sure I understood correctly. That is also how I read the other posts you quoted as well.

And even if they all do agree with Ken... I wouldn't call them "very vocal".... just of an opinion different then yours. Which they (we) are allowed to do just as much as you are allowed to show your disagreement.

CSI: Miami is the 1 series I can think of at the moment that uses all CAPS AND accents with their credits. I place the blame for this mess with the companies that do the credits for the movies/tv shows.

Quoting surfeur51:

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In how many years this will be correct ???

The main reason I don't have too much of a problem with the way things are now is that if we copied the cast exactly the way they're credited (e.g., all caps) we'd have the same problem we have right now.  And how can an exact copy of the credits be a problem?

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