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3D Blu-ray Profile Question
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OK, did I right understand all this? :-)? I have a 3D sold package including also the 2D version, both Blu-ray. Now:

The 3D version has 4 Audio Tracks (languages)
The 2D version has 6 Audio Tracks (languages), so 2 more.

I add the 6 languages, right?

The 3D version is the cineama version
The 2D version is the director's cut, so about 10 minutes longer.

Rules tell to put the time from the longer film into Running Time. So I put the time from the director's cut of the 2D Blu-ray, also the package is sold as a 3D?

Did I do it right this way?

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Did I do it right this way?


Not according to the majority of users in this thread.

The Main Profile is for the 3D Disc, therefore, ONLY the info for the 3D Disc goes into the Main Parent Profile. The second 2D disc will be added as a Child Profile and will contain the info for that disc.
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The majority here said the Main Profile for a 3D release should only contain the features/info for that disc and the child profiles would contain the features/info for those discs. Well...what about the 3D release for A Nightmare Before Christmas???

I give up!!!

What's it gonna be folks??? You can't have it both ways! This is gonna Flip-Flop all over the place and the friggin Ping Ponging wars will start.

Once again I ask invelos for guidance on this issue!!!

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Once again I ask invelos for guidance on this issue!!!



Agreed. 
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The majority here said the Main Profile for a 3D release should only contain the features/info for that disc and the child profiles would contain the features/info for those discs. Well...what about the 3D release for A Nightmare Before Christmas???

I give up!!!

What's it gonna be folks??? You can't have it both ways! This is gonna Flip-Flop all over the place and the friggin Ping Ponging wars will start.

Once again I ask invelos for guidance on this issue!!!

At the moment, the program doesn't recognize 3D as a different media type, so the contribution seems to be correct 'per the rules'.  The fact that the majority, in this thread, think it should be done differently, doesn't change anything. 
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The majority here said the Main Profile for a 3D release should only contain the features/info for that disc and the child profiles would contain the features/info for those discs. Well...what about the 3D release for A Nightmare Before Christmas???

I give up!!!

What's it gonna be folks??? You can't have it both ways! This is gonna Flip-Flop all over the place and the friggin Ping Ponging wars will start.

Once again I ask invelos for guidance on this issue!!!

At the moment, the program doesn't recognize 3D as a different media type, so the contribution seems to be correct 'per the rules'.  The fact that the majority, in this thread, think it should be done differently, doesn't change anything. 


This has absolutely zero to do with Media Types. It has to do with Marketing and what you see on the shelf. UPC #786936814217 is marketed as the Blu-ray 3D, 3-disc combo release of this film versus UPC #0786936807370 which is marketed as the 2D Blu-ray, 2-disc combo.

As this thread suggests, if a title is marketed primarily as a 3D Blu-ray release, then the Main Profile should be for the 3D disc and the 2D Blu-ray and DVD would be added as Child Profiles.
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The majority here said the Main Profile for a 3D release should only contain the features/info for that disc and the child profiles would contain the features/info for those discs. Well...what about the 3D release for A Nightmare Before Christmas???

I give up!!!

What's it gonna be folks??? You can't have it both ways! This is gonna Flip-Flop all over the place and the friggin Ping Ponging wars will start.

Once again I ask invelos for guidance on this issue!!!

At the moment, the program doesn't recognize 3D as a different media type, so the contribution seems to be correct 'per the rules'.  The fact that the majority, in this thread, think it should be done differently, doesn't change anything. 


Just so we're clear. I posted this because users are submitting profiles for these releases both ways...with all features from both the 3D disc and the 2D blu-ray in the Main Profile and with only the features on the 3D disc in the Main Profile and the remaining features on the Child Profiles for the 2D Blu-ray.

Then we have users who are going back and deleteing the Features from the Main Profile for the "3D disc" and vice-versa. Thus the ping-ponging and the need for clarification from invelos.
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This has absolutely zero to do with Media Types. It has to do with Marketing and what you see on the shelf. UPC #786936814217 is marketed as the Blu-ray 3D, 3-disc combo release of this film versus UPC #0786936807370 which is marketed as the 2D Blu-ray, 2-disc combo.

Both sets are Blu-ray/DVD combo packs.  Per the rules, the main profile must represent the HD media.  As 3D Blu-ray and 2D Blu-ray are both HD media, both must be represented in the main profile so, yes, media type does matter.  Marketing, and what you see on the shelf, is not a factor mentioned in the rules.
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As this thread suggests, if a title is marketed primarily as a 3D Blu-ray release, then the Main Profile should be for the 3D disc and the 2D Blu-ray and DVD would be added as Child Profiles.

I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with you.  The rules do not require that the special features be on the same disc as the main feature.  In fact, unless I am missing something somewhere, it is standard practice to list special features, in the main profile, even when they are on the second disc of a 2 disc set.  The Box Set rules seem to indicate that this is 'normal' practice.
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This has absolutely zero to do with Media Types. It has to do with Marketing and what you see on the shelf. UPC #786936814217 is marketed as the Blu-ray 3D, 3-disc combo release of this film versus UPC #0786936807370 which is marketed as the 2D Blu-ray, 2-disc combo.

Both sets are Blu-ray/DVD combo packs.  Per the rules, the main profile must represent the HD media.  As 3D Blu-ray and 2D Blu-ray are both HD media, both must be represented in the main profile so, yes, media type does matter.  Marketing, and what you see on the shelf, is not a factor mentioned in the rules.
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As this thread suggests, if a title is marketed primarily as a 3D Blu-ray release, then the Main Profile should be for the 3D disc and the 2D Blu-ray and DVD would be added as Child Profiles.

I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with you.  The rules do not require that the special features be on the same disc as the main feature.  In fact, unless I am missing something somewhere, it is standard practice to list special features, in the main profile, even when they are on the second disc of a 2 disc set.  The Box Set rules seem to indicate that this is 'normal' practice.


Don't get me wrong. My opinion on this matter was originally the same as yours. The problem with this is that there is NO CONSENSOUS and everyone is doing there own thing and the database is suffering for it.
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I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with you.  The rules do not require that the special features be on the same disc as the main feature.  In fact, unless I am missing something somewhere, it is standard practice to list special features, in the main profile, even when they are on the second disc of a 2 disc set.  The Box Set rules seem to indicate that this is 'normal' practice.


Yes but you don't create a seperate profile for the second disc...do you? It's listed in the Main Profile in the Disc Info section as Bonus Materials or Special Features. In the case of Combo releases they're being profiled as though they were bonafide Box Sets...which, IMO, they aren't.
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If I remember correctly the only reason why we started adding the additional bonus DVDs and blu-rays of the same movie as child profiles was a compromise for those users that wanted them.  Since child profiles are not mandatory it allows for those that want them to have them and those that don't can refuse to download the child profiles.  I think Ken or Geri, had commented on how we should profile combo releases a while back but, don't quote me on that and the search function on this site seems to only go back to 2010.

The parent profile we should profile as we would any other single movie release with the features from the other discs of the same title.

This isn't much different than we handle TV series where the parent has the features from all the discs from that season and the child discs are included for those that want to download them.
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This isn't much different than we handle TV series where the parent has the features from all the discs from that season and the child discs are included for those that want to download them.


I think you mean it's not much different from how we're supposed to handle TV series. Pretty much every time I buy a new season or complete series of a TV-show, the main profile is completely empty, and all info is on the child profiles, which I do not want to download.

I mostly buy my TV-series from the UK. American submitters may be better at getting it right.

I know I'm getting side tracked here, but I can't express in words exactly how much I utterly hate child profiles for individual discs of TV-series.
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Yup that is what I meant to say.  Most of the US TV season profiles I have downloaded have the the information in the main profile unless it is new or hasn't been profiled yet. 

I'm the same way I don't care for child profiles on TV seasons so I don't download them.  However, for combo movies, I do download the child profiles.  But, that is just the way like to have them downloaded locally.
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I personally always use child profiles for TV Series season sets. Love them! But whenever I do work on them I try to always be sure to also update the parent profile as well.

But with that said. There is nothing stating that the person that does the child profiles HAS to also update the parent profile. All the rules do is state that all the information also belongs in the parent profile. If the person that does the child profiles don't want to do the parent profile they definitely have that right.
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But with that said. There is nothing stating that the person that does the child profiles HAS to also update the parent profile. All the rules do is state that all the information also belongs in the parent profile. If the person that does the child profiles don't want to do the parent profile they definitely have that right.


That's not how I understand this part of the rule:

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In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers.


Also, it wouldn't be that big of an issue if it had been possible to copy info from multiple profiles to one (i.e. Tag all child profiles and copy all info into the parent).
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That says nothing more then the info belongs there. Nothing there says that the person that does the child profiles has to do the parent profile as well. And it shouldn't... the entire database is filled voluntarily.

Please... show me anywhere in the rules where it says if you do child profiles you have to do the parent profile too? I know you can't... because I know it isn't there.

Every one of us has the right to do as much or as little as we see fit. We are not forced to do anything.

I personally do it to help out those that only use parent profiles. But I tell ya... the moment Invelos tell me I absolutely have to do it is exactly when I will stop doing it.
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