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| | Posted: | | | | If a thread is not going on, there's always one thing that is possible:
Correcting the existing entries in database, with the hope the CLT will turn into the "more correct" position.
Btw, there are some streaming sites, where you could have a look at the missing credits for confirming. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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Also (and not so much related to this thread in particular) but when do we say ENOUGH! That's the name we're going to use from now on?
Just look at the Frank Montano thread that has recently been revived. I remember when lots of contributions were coming through pointing to that thread and its results of 'Frank Montano' as the current name. I followed suit and edited all my profiles (currently at: 50)...now more results have come through and it's a draw. If the other name wins out there's no way I'm going through all my profiles again to change them. At some point you've just got to say 'enough'. A decision was made and acted on and, in my opinion, that decision should stand from now on. I can't abide all this wishy-washy to-and-froing!
It would be entirely different if everyone jumped on the bandwagon and checked their profiles; but such a small percentage of us do it that these threads can drag on for months; during which time, those of us that are doing updates are left in limbo.
Uhhh..., I guess when Ken tells us we are allowed to. I know that is the only time I will say such a thing. Which I personally doubt will happen since Ken has said he is working on the cast and crew section... and said he hopes it will get rid of the need for the CLT at all. But until such time... we must do it as Ken has stated it to be done. So, it seems like you're saying it that in the Frank Montano situation it's simply tough on me if the other name comes out on top. I'll simply have to re-edit and submit those changes - because no other person is going to do the work! Sorry, but not gonna happen. I'm very much about letting others share from the work I do on my local database. I like to know that I'm giving something back to the community. But , there's no way I'm going to revisit common names every time the forum decides to get off its but and check a few more film credits. The Frank Montano common name was decided buy a majority; but because people have finally got around to checking a few extra titles we're back at square one. Surely, you can see how frustratingly annoying that is for those of us that contribute? Maybe the best thing is to simply stop the credits as entries until Ken's proposed changes come in - although, the reason I haven't done this is because my understanding was that all current Credited As entries will 'carry over' to the new system. I think that's what Ken said. | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
You don't know for a fact what the other 32 credits are Actually, outstanding for George 'Buck' Flower there are only 20 unconfirmed titles. So, even if all 20 were correct that would still not be the common name, would it? Therefore, the CLT results are wrong. George 'Buck' Flower is NOT the common name. So, tell me, if that has been established how do we get a common name if we can't use the results of this thread as it stands OR the CLT? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is 32 unconfirmed credits... any of which could be any variation of the name. Not only the ones listed under a certain name. I thought this would be obvious. As long as that is possible none of the names has been confirmed as being right or wrong. As long as that is the case. (per Ken the CLT is not documented as being wrong)... we must use the CLT until it is documented... or until Ken changes the system (said in the works)... or changes his statement.
I am not the one that made this system... or told us how to use it. I am just following how Ken had told us to use it... nothing more and nothing less.
The fact that the name can change multiple times is the nature of the beast that Ken had created... we all knew that from the very first day.... from the time the system was introduced and Ken decided on most commonly credited form people as been complaining about that very fact... me included. But that is what Ken decided on doing... all we can do is work with what he gives us... the way he tells us to. | | | | Pete |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I can't see already using this thread as documentation until they are confirmed.
And what happens if they're not?
The thread looked like it had died, so I took the initiative - largely correcting contributions I had made changing profiles to match CLT results. And most of the community - myself included - thanks you for your work.  Please don't be discouraged by one or two people who want to keep propagating the IMDb-mined name variant. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now Tim...
What makes you think I WANT to do any such thing? The ONLY thing I want is to vote and contribute in the way Ken has told us.
I want no more then to have this thread do what it is meant to do... find the true most commonly credited form. But it doesn't do that YET. Until it does it is not documentation that the CLT is wrong. Which is the only way Ken said we could do anything other then what the CLT says.
Once again... this thread does not document that the CLT us wrong YET. Until it does... yes... I see it as having to vote no to any contribution using it as documentation of any other name.
Once again... I don't WANT to.... but going by Ken's statements on the matter up till now... it is the way it has to be.
What I really want is for Ken to release the beta with the new cast and crew linking. That would be fantastic! | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have removed all the incorrect entries in George 'Buck' Flower as these are not valid. I have also re-arranged the lists so that the confirmed titles are at the top. In both cases this makes viewing easier.
I have also confirmed two more titles today.
Buck Flower - 63/323 - 28 confirmed
976-EVIL 2 confirmed by me (not sure if dvd exists, on one of my customs)
Back to the Future confirmed by me
Back to the Fututre 2 confirmed by me
Below the Belt confirmed by Jimmy S
Bikini Carwash Company confirmed by Behemot
Body Bags (John Carpenter's Body Bags) confirmed by me
Butterfly confirmed by Behemot
Camp Fear confirmed by Sidrat
Cheerleader Camp confirmed by me
Country Cuzzins confirmed by Behemot
Crash Point Zero confirmed by Sidrat
Curse of the Komodo confirmed by Addicted2DVD
Dukes of Hazzard: Season 2 (disc 4) confirmed by me, not my audit though)
Escape from New York confirmed by me
Executive Target confirmed by Sidrat
Extreme Limits confirmed by Sidrat
Hard Bounty confirmed by Behemot
Mac and Me confirmed by Draxen
Dark Breed confirmed by Pantheon
Pumpkinhead confirmed by me
Relentless confirmed by ya_shin
Renegade Season 1 (disc 2) confirmed by greyghost
Skeeter confirmed by Sidrat
Skeletons confirmed by hallo-marvin
Starman confirmed by me
They are Among Us confirmed by Sidrat
Village of the Damned confirmed by me and Pantheon
Wishmaster confirmed by me and Pantheon
Death Falls
I Will Dance on Your Grave: Lethal Victims
Mirror Images
Nevada Heat
Silicon Towers
Wooly Boys
George 'Buck' Flower - 73/106 - 1 confirmed
Bail Out (W.B., Blue and the Bean)
Bring Him Home
Champions
Circuitry Man I & II (in Circuitry Man II)
Codemane Zebra
Dead Men Don't Die
Fast Money
Feuersyndrom
Moonbase
One Man Force
Power Rangers Time Force: Teil 9
Puppet Master: The Legacy
Radical Jack
Seu Marido e Minha Mulher
Silicon Towers
Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama
The Ungodly
Wooly Boys
George "Buck" Flower - 45/129 - 17 confirmed
Across the Great Divide confirmed by Pantheon
The Adventures of the Wilderness Family confirmed by Danae Cassandra
The Alpha Incedent confirmed by Jimmy S
Berserker: The Nordic Curse confirmed by Katatonia
Delinquent Schoolgirls confirmed by Jimmy S
ER: The Complete Fourth Season (disc 2) confirmed by
The Fog confirmed by me and Pantheon
Forest Warrior confirmed by Behemot
Good Cop Bad Cop (Black Dawn) confirmed by Sidrat
Johnny Firecloud confirmed by Jimmy S
Maniac Cop confirmed by me
NYPD Season 4 confirmed by greyghost
The Pretender: The Complete Fourth Season: Ep 1 confirmed by Behemot
Puppet Master II confirmed by me and Pantheon
Spontaneous Combustion confirmed by Behemot
They Live confirmed by me and Pantheon
Warlock: The Armageddon confirmed by Addicted2DVD
Waxwork 2 confirmed by Behemot
Action Warrior (Forest Warrior)
Code Name Zebra
SpaceFreakMicha
Inside Out 1 & 2
Mom, Can I Keep Her?
Radical Jack
Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat
George Buck Flower - 10/11 - 2 confirmed
Capture of Bigfoot confirmed by Jimmy S
Perfit Fit confirmed by me
Bail Out
Bigfoot Terror
Brooklyn South: The Complete Series: Vol. 4
Champions
Munchie
They are Among Us
Wilderness Family, Part 2
C. D. LaFleuer - 6/9 - 5 confirmed
Ilsa: She Wolf confirmed by me
Alice Goodbody confirmed by Jimmy s
Deep Jaws confirmed by Jimmy S
Dirty Mind of Young Sally confirmed by Jimmy S
Ilsa: Harem Keeper confirmed by Jimmy S | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | You seemed to have dropped...
The Witch Who Came from the Sea confirmed by Behemot
... from George 'Buck' Flower
you still have the name as having one title confirmed... just dropped the confirmed title. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Now Tim...
What makes you think I WANT to do any such thing? The ONLY thing I want is to vote and contribute in the way Ken has told us.
I want no more then to have this thread do what it is meant to do... find the true most commonly credited form. But it doesn't do that YET. Until it does it is not documentation that the CLT is wrong. Which is the only way Ken said we could do anything other then what the CLT says.
Once again... this thread does not document that the CLT us wrong YET. Until it does... yes... I see it as having to vote no to any contribution using it as documentation of any other name.
Once again... I don't WANT to.... but going by Ken's statements on the matter up till now... it is the way it has to be.
What I really want is for Ken to release the beta with the new cast and crew linking. That would be fantastic! Actually that depends entirely on how you look at things. The CLT currently says that George 'Buck' Flower is the common name. But we can already see that this thread that only ONE of those credits is currently correct. FACT. We can also see that there are 28 confirmed credits for Buck Flower and 17 confirmed credits for George "Buck" Flower. FACT. Therefore, as per this thread as it stands Buck Flower is the most common name used. FACT. As with the Frank Montano thread, more results may come in later that change this FACT; but currently, as of this moment in time, Buck Flower IS the most common name. FACT. Using my common sense, and a bit of judgement based on the number of contributions I do and years of spotting IMDB crap in our database, I have chosen to utilise the findings in this thread as they stand. This thread HAS shown that currently, with the results be have Buck Flower is the common name. If we went with your thinking the common name for Frank Montano would NEVER have been found and all the profiles that were changed would still be a mess. Now, admittedly, given that that thread has been revived that may not have been a totally bad thing; but the principle is the same. If it turns out at a later date when more results have come in that Buck Flower is NOT the common name I will formally apologise. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Now Tim... What makes you think I WANT to do any such thing? I don't know. I'm just noting that that's what you seem to be doing. Quote:
The ONLY thing I want is to vote and contribute in the way Ken has told us. So do I. I'm just sure that Ken doesn't want us to propagate virtually non-existing IMDb-mined name variants. Because, no matter how nice the theory may sound, that's what this boils down to. Quote:
Once again... I don't WANT to.... but going by Ken's statements on the matter up till now... it is the way it has to be. Once again: you don't HAVE to. Instead, you can CHOOSE to keep propagating the IMDb-name for years to come. I choose not to. Quote:
What I really want is for Ken to release the beta with the new cast and crew linking. That would be fantastic! It sure would! | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I just verified the following...
The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.: Complete Series (Disc 1) - George "Buck" Flowers (Notice the S on the end of Flower)
Curse of the Komodo - Buck Flower
Cheerleader Camp - Buck Flower
Maniac Cop - George "Buck" Flower
Warlock: The Armageddon - George "Buck" Flower It seems the first name I confirmed (Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.) wasn't even added at all. (Notice the S at the end of Flower) | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can ONLY go by how I read the rules and Ken's statements. Beyond that only Ken can say to go with anything else. That is the only way I will vote and contribute.
It has nothing to do with what I want... or what I believe to be most likely correct. Only to do with what Ken put in the rules and what Ken has stated in the forums.
If I am looking at it in anyway other then what Ken meant by what he said... then I would appreciate Ken telling me so. Know that I will not change my opinion by anyone else telling me so.... as I wholeheartedly believe this is Ken's database and needs to be done the way he wants it done. No matter how long it takes to get to the correct name. | | | | Pete |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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I wholeheartedly believe this is Ken's database and needs to be done the way he wants it done. As I imagine we all do. Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
The CLT currently says that George 'Buck' Flower is the common name. But we can already see that this thread that only ONE of those credits is currently correct. FACT.
We can also see that there are 28 confirmed credits for Buck Flower and 17 confirmed credits for George "Buck" Flower. FACT.
Therefore, as per this thread as it stands Buck Flower is the most common name used. FACT.
As with the Frank Montano thread, more results may come in later that change this FACT; but currently, as of this moment in time, Buck Flower IS the most common name. FACT.
Using my common sense, and a bit of judgement based on the number of contributions I do and years of spotting IMDB crap in our database, I have chosen to utilise the findings in this thread as they stand. This thread HAS shown that currently, with the results be have Buck Flower is the common name.
If we went with your thinking the common name for Frank Montano would NEVER have been found and all the profiles that were changed would still be a mess. Now, admittedly, given that that thread has been revived that may not have been a totally bad thing; but the principle is the same.
If it turns out at a later date when more results have come in that Buck Flower is NOT the common name I will formally apologise. You're absolutely right! Also, as stated earlier, don't be discouraged by one or two people who feel differently about this - I assure you that the vast majority of the community will accept the findings from this thread as more than enough to eliminate the IMDb-mined name variant from profiles - and rightly so. Once again: thanks for your great work! | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Buck Flower - 63/323 - 28 confirmed
976-EVIL 2 confirmed by me (not sure if dvd exists, on one of my customs)
Back to the Future confirmed by me
Back to the Fututre 2 confirmed by me
Below the Belt confirmed by Jimmy S
Bikini Carwash Company confirmed by Behemot
Body Bags (John Carpenter's Body Bags) confirmed by me
Butterfly confirmed by Behemot
Camp Fear confirmed by Sidrat
Cheerleader Camp confirmed by me
Country Cuzzins confirmed by Behemot
Crash Point Zero confirmed by Sidrat
Curse of the Komodo confirmed by Addicted2DVD
Dukes of Hazzard: Season 2 (disc 4) confirmed by me, not my audit though)
Escape from New York confirmed by me
Executive Target confirmed by Sidrat
Extreme Limits confirmed by Sidrat
Hard Bounty confirmed by Behemot
Mac and Me confirmed by Draxen
Dark Breed confirmed by Pantheon
Pumpkinhead confirmed by me
Relentless confirmed by ya_shin
Renegade Season 1 (disc 2) confirmed by greyghost
Skeeter confirmed by Sidrat
Skeletons confirmed by hallo-marvin
Starman confirmed by me
They are Among Us confirmed by Sidrat
Village of the Damned confirmed by me and Pantheon
Wishmaster confirmed by me and Pantheon
Death Falls
I Will Dance on Your Grave: Lethal Victims
Mirror Images
Nevada Heat
Silicon Towers
Wooly Boys
George 'Buck' Flower - 73/106 - 1 confirmed
Bail Out (W.B., Blue and the Bean)
Bring Him Home
Champions
Circuitry Man I & II (in Circuitry Man II)
Codemane Zebra
Dead Men Don't Die
Fast Money
Feuersyndrom
Moonbase
One Man Force
Power Rangers Time Force: Teil 9
Puppet Master: The Legacy
Radical Jack
Seu Marido e Minha Mulher
Silicon Towers
Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama
The Ungodly
Wooly Boys
George "Buck" Flower - 45/129 - 17 confirmed
Across the Great Divide confirmed by Pantheon
The Adventures of the Wilderness Family confirmed by Danae Cassandra
The Alpha Incedent confirmed by Jimmy S
Berserker: The Nordic Curse confirmed by Katatonia
Delinquent Schoolgirls confirmed by Jimmy S
ER: The Complete Fourth Season (disc 2) confirmed by
The Fog confirmed by me and Pantheon
Forest Warrior confirmed by Behemot
Good Cop Bad Cop (Black Dawn) confirmed by Sidrat
Johnny Firecloud confirmed by Jimmy S
Maniac Cop confirmed by me
NYPD Season 4 confirmed by greyghost
The Pretender: The Complete Fourth Season: Ep 1 confirmed by Behemot
Puppet Master II confirmed by me and Pantheon
Spontaneous Combustion confirmed by Behemot
They Live confirmed by me and Pantheon
Warlock: The Armageddon confirmed by Addicted2DVD
Waxwork 2 confirmed by Behemot
Action Warrior (Forest Warrior)
Code Name Zebra
SpaceFreakMicha
Inside Out 1 & 2
Mom, Can I Keep Her?
Radical Jack
Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat
George Buck Flower - 10/11 - 2 confirmed
Capture of Bigfoot confirmed by Jimmy S
Perfit Fit confirmed by me
Bail Out
Bigfoot Terror
Brooklyn South: The Complete Series: Vol. 4
Champions
Munchie
They are Among Us
Wilderness Family, Part 2
George "Buck" Flowers - 1 confirmed
The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr: Complete Series (Disc 1) confirmed by Addicted2DVD
C. D. LaFleuer - 6/9 - 5 confirmed
Ilsa: She Wolf confirmed by me
Alice Goodbody confirmed by Jimmy s
Deep Jaws confirmed by Jimmy S
Dirty Mind of Young Sally confirmed by Jimmy S
Ilsa: Harem Keeper confirmed by Jimmy S | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I just verified the following...
The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.: Complete Series (Disc 1) - George "Buck" Flowers (Notice the S on the end of Flower)
Curse of the Komodo - Buck Flower
Cheerleader Camp - Buck Flower
Maniac Cop - George "Buck" Flower
Warlock: The Armageddon - George "Buck" Flower
It seems the first name I confirmed (Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.) wasn't even added at all. (Notice the S at the end of Flower) I'm sure you never meant to come off sounding miffed about this, but that's how I read it. You may have noticed that this thread died until I revived it. I didn't have to do that. I could have simply left it to die. So, given that you spotted this error what was to stop you amending the results post to include this result? I've done it now anyway, but it really annoys me when people criticise others but don't do anything themselves to rectify the situation. Once again, I'm positive that is NOT how you meant your post to sound. I realise I'm probably being overly sensitive. As for following Ken's rules. I do. Ken said if we can document that the CLT is wrong then it is fine for use to do so. That IS what this thread has ALREADY done. At least at this time. Later that may change. But, for now, this thread proves the CLT wrong. | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course I did not mean it to criticize you in any way... I apologize that you felt that. The reason I didn't update it myself is because of the way I have always known this type of thread to be done. That is to let the person that is working on the list to know about any such thing.
In my eyes that is like saying that everyone that verifies a title should just do an update to the list instead of letting the one person take care of the list. Which I believe would get very messy. Would end up with people quoting different lists and the list going back and forth with different info.
As for the rest... as I said... the way I read Ken's statements and the rules... I don't believe this thread has done that at all... since there is so many unconfirmed titles. It is (no matter how unlikely) possible that the unconfirmed titles could result in the CLT being correct.
So that is how I feel I have to vote and contribute. At least until such time as Ken tells me differently. | | | | Pete |
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