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Can we ever stop copying from IMDb? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Even when I clone profiles I always look for those aliases, since it is like someone said an obvious giveaway to the source of the data. Ridiculously elaborate roles is another.
I think it would be pretty easy to make an automatic filter that spots things like (as *) following a role name. If someone really cares I mean. But I think the "no IMDb" rule is mostly just for show. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
But I think the "no IMDb" rule is mostly just for show. I tend to agree with you here. The only time I have ever seen IMDb data declined, is when the contributor put IMDb as the source in their notes. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Call it ignorance from an old DVD Spot user, but has the no-copying from IMDB always been a rule? Or did they find out about it and issue some sort of cease-and-decist letter? Because a lot - and I mean a LOT - of old titles I'm updating lately have IMDB data with no notes, or just 1 note saying "New Contribution."
Eric | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote:
Call it ignorance from an old DVD Spot user, but has the no-copying from IMDB always been a rule? Or did they find out about it and issue some sort of cease-and-decist letter? Because a lot - and I mean a LOT - of old titles I'm updating lately have IMDB data with no notes, or just 1 note saying "New Contribution."
Eric In the very early days, there were no rules at all, so pretty much everything and anything could get in. |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting synnerman: Quote:
Quoting huskersports:
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Call it ignorance from an old DVD Spot user, but has the no-copying from IMDB always been a rule? Or did they find out about it and issue some sort of cease-and-decist letter? Because a lot - and I mean a LOT - of old titles I'm updating lately have IMDB data with no notes, or just 1 note saying "New Contribution."
Eric
In the very early days, there were no rules at all, so pretty much everything and anything could get in. That explains a lot, thank you. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | And a lot of profiles were just copied over from the old database. Not many sources were given, just new contribution to help propagate the database. | | | | Lori |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | All the sources are available for the old profiles of the 2.X version. You just need to use the old version of DVDP to check them. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting LJG: Quote:
And a lot of profiles were just copied over from the old database. Not many sources were given, just new contribution to help propagate the database. Ken himself moved many profiles from Intervocative to Invelos. Those which have still not be changed are easy to find, they are in the database, with no contributor, and no notes. In fact, those profiles are excellent in quality. They are not polluted by the 2008 capitalization rule that asks to add spelling mistakes to accented names, they have minimal crew (not all that uninteresting roles), no bold and italics in overviews, and no dividers. A far better base, IMO, for local customization than present profiles...  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Is it possible for a profile to be declined and basically simultaneously accepted at the same time?? Hilariously enough, soon after I posted what I posted in this thread, my contribution for the DVD child profile of The Expendables (Canadian locality) was declined with the following note: "The contribution notes indicated a valid source for the changes, but the contents of the changes appear to come from an invalid source. If the source is valid, recontribute with an extended note. If not, please do not contribute the data that comes from an invalid source, such as a third party database."  Too funny. However, when I check online (going to download the profile) all information shows correctly. So I checked the contribution notes and I see: "Profile Contribution Approved Nov 24 2010 5:19PM" "Image Contribution Approved Nov 24 2010 5:19PM" "Profile Contribution Declined Nov 24 2010 5:19PM" So confused. Did I ruffle the wrong feathers with my earlier posts?   The information is there, and it shows no changes when I simply click the button to contribute, so I'm assuming the information (which is correct and not taken from an invalid source, I promise!) is good to go at this point in the profile. Hey, if this thread somehow helped with getting a little more attention paid to what's being submitted, I'm all for it. Even if my contribution was originally declined in error and then quickly approved I suppose. Shows that change can happen. That's good!  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Is it possible for a profile to be declined and basically simultaneously accepted at the same time??
Hilariously enough, soon after I posted what I posted in this thread, my contribution for the DVD child profile of The Expendables (Canadian locality) was declined with the following note:
"The contribution notes indicated a valid source for the changes, but the contents of the changes appear to come from an invalid source. If the source is valid, recontribute with an extended note. If not, please do not contribute the data that comes from an invalid source, such as a third party database."
Too funny.
However, when I check online (going to download the profile) all information shows correctly. So I checked the contribution notes and I see:
"Profile Contribution Approved Nov 24 2010 5:19PM"
"Image Contribution Approved Nov 24 2010 5:19PM"
"Profile Contribution Declined Nov 24 2010 5:19PM"
So confused.
Did I ruffle the wrong feathers with my earlier posts?
The information is there, and it shows no changes when I simply click the button to contribute, so I'm assuming the information (which is correct and not taken from an invalid source, I promise!) is good to go at this point in the profile.
Hey, if this thread somehow helped with getting a little more attention paid to what's being submitted, I'm all for it. Even if my contribution was originally declined in error and then quickly approved I suppose. Shows that change can happen. That's good! We liked it...no wait we didn't!  | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know this will be very unpopular but i would like to see a one off purge of all Uncredited from the database to clear out the IMDb copied cast |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
I know this will be very unpopular but i would like to see a one off purge of all Uncredited from the database to clear out the IMDb copied cast To be sure that we get rid of all IMDb copied cast, Invelos should do a one off purge of all credits, not just uncredited.  |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | That would be the only thing to do, but who wants that? Even the work that some do with the common names (even if I don't like it at all, I must say it's better than anything but just useless) won't stop that. Rebuild the database from the start won't help, I think the old users know what it did. A system of trust don't work (anyboby can contribute anything and say anything, there is no way to be sure except for the few that we trust individually)
In fact the only way to deal with it is to say the hell with it and live with that and just use the database as a starting point to do what we want with it personally.
Someone like imdb credit fine he/she can copy it in his/her database.
Someone like to go all over the credit and have them as on screen on his/her database it's fine he/she can copy it in his/her database.
Someone like to have the credit and use a common linking name of his/her choice it's fine he/she can copy it in his/her database.
Sure it isn't that great as an anwer, but we need to be realist : The database will never be reliable as it works and it's normal since a very small portion of the users come here, read the rules and more important the screeners are human and they don't check the dvd.
It's more works of course, but I do it with all the dvd I bought and I'm not dead yet... |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting No_Name_Needed: Quote:
In fact the only way to deal with it is to say the hell with it and live with that and just use the database as a starting point to do what we want with it personally.
Someone like imdb credit fine he/she can copy it in his/her database.
Someone like to go all over the credit and have them as on screen on his/her database it's fine he/she can copy it in his/her database.
Someone like to have the credit and use a common linking name of his/her choice it's fine he/she can copy it in his/her database.
I agree with this, do it for my local, and think most forum users (who are generally specially interested), also do this. The problem of the online is different. It is what users that do not have time to manage their local get. And it is in fact bad data, as the "as credited" rule system is good to avoid pingponging, but a pain for any database function (linking, sorting, filtering...). People who would like to help other users would propose rules evolutions, but most contributors are too happy of this voting system that allows them to justify contributions that are preserved from those so feared no votes. And the fact that Ken prefers, at each new version, to add a cosmetic feature (as dividers) that will allow tons of new uninteresting data, instead of working on a proper linking system for names, will not help to change what we have. So let us be selfish, keep good data for ourselves and contribute, per the rules, bad data for other users. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.  What I do know is, all the people I know who use the program, don't care about linking or sorting or filtering. All they care about is that the program lets them keep track of the titles they own. Some care about the 'watched by' and 'loaned to' functions, but that's about it. Whenever there is an update to a profile, they accept it because they really don't care about much else. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
What I do know is, all the people I know who use the program, don't care about linking or sorting or filtering. With thousands of users, we have of course some who act as you say, not being interested by movies data. For them, I agree with you, we can put what we want in the online, and they will not see the problem. But there are also people (I do know some in real life) who are interested to have correct linking data, but have not the time to manage their local. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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