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Should anamorphic video be ticked for combo editions? |
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 43 |
| | Posted: | | | | What complicates things is both Toy story 1 and 2 and snow white, the dvd from the blu+dvd combo pack and the dvd from the dvd+blu-ray combo pack, the dvds have the same disc id So only one of the dvds could be entered by disc id, So one of the combo packs dvd child would either have the wrong scan and wrong case type listed or wouldn't have child, if you always used blu-ray for the parent.
blu-ray + dvd Blu-ray is submitted by upc and is parent and dvd is child and is submitted by disc id
dvd + blu-ray dvd should be submitted by upc and is parent and blu-ray is child should be submitted by disc id
Is the only proper way to it where the parent and child of the blu-ray + dvd combo and parent and child of the dvd+blu-ray combo all have Correct scans and info.
Plus the dvd+blu-ray cover has dvd+blu-ray wrote on it, and blu-ray+dvd has blu-ray+dvd wrote on it. | | | | Last edited: by rusty640 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dag Ove: Quote:
Technically, that's not necessarily correct. I stand corrected! But sometimes I really think those new specs (HDTV and BD) are just made to drive me insane. Who on earth wastes a BD on anamorphic material?There simply would be now gain! Quote:
...releasing SD content on blu-ray discs will become an interesting option (1 BD can replace 5-6 DVDs). I certainly don't hope so! Yes you could save some discs, but do the publishers really want that? Not to mention that if the material is new enough to benefit from anamorphic on DVD, it should be quite easy to make a new scan of it with 1280×720. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rusty640: Quote:
So one of the combo packs dvd child would either have the wrong scan and wrong case type listed or wouldn't have child, if you always used blu-ray for the parent. But that's not a unique thing with these combo-sets. For instance, it happens when then same discs, with the same disc ID, are included in different box sets (or even re-releases of the same box-set, but with updated packaging/cover art). There as well, the online profile can only be "right" for one of the sets. Sure, it's unfortunate, but in the grand scheme of things it's not the end of the word. This problem applies to a very small number of titles, and the good thing is that you still get MOST of the data - there are only a few fields that would have to be changed locally. Additionally, as time moves on, I'd expect combo-sets where the DVD is marketed as the "primary" disc to dissappear rather quickly, and as such, it doesn't really seem necessary to make a special exception for those few cases in DVD Profiler. I can understand Disney doing this right now for a few mainstream, family-aimed releases, but I'd expect the "DVD+Blu-ray"-combo to become an extinct species rather soon. As soon as the average DVD-buyer gets a bit more used to all this, I'm sure even Disney will switch to "Blu-ray+DVD". So again, with that in mind, I don't see why for just a few exceptions, we'd saddle up EVERY other Blu-ray/DVD-combo with a forced PAL/NTSC-choice plus the uncertainty of what to do with the anamorphic checkbox. A blanket rule to always prioritize the "HD Media", graying those fields out, seems very much preferable to me. |
| | Registered: July 7, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 43 |
| | Posted: | | | | I found on amazon.com has coming out on 6th
robocop,
terminator,
speed,
bridge to far,
super troopers,
rocky,
windtalkers,
igor,
the graduate,
hoosiers,
usual suspects,
last waltz,
Napoleon Dynamite,
planet of the apes,
hart's war,
Dodgeball: True Underdog Story,
out of time,
bullet proof monk,
commando,
rollerball,
road house.
These are all dvd + blu-ray combo packs, So it looks like there more than a few cases I only looked at what was coming out on 6th of this month and I could have easy overlooked some. I didn't see any blu-ray + dvd combo packs of these to cause any problems though. | | | | Last edited: by rusty640 |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
So again, with that in mind, I don't see why for just a few exceptions, we'd saddle up EVERY other Blu-ray/DVD-combo with a forced PAL/NTSC-choice plus the uncertainty of what to do with the anamorphic checkbox. Are we incapable of making those decisions, if the options were not forced? Allow the DVD to be primary, and make PAL/NTSC/Anamorphic selectable under our control. If the BD is primary, we don't use them. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rusty640: Quote:
What complicates things is both Toy story 1 and 2 and snow white, the dvd from the blu+dvd combo pack and the dvd from the dvd+blu-ray combo pack, the dvds have the same disc id So only one of the dvds could be entered by disc id, So one of the combo packs dvd child would either have the wrong scan and wrong case type listed or wouldn't have child, if you always used blu-ray for the parent.(...) Yes, IMO, both releases should have the BD as parent with the (IMO small) drawback that the same child DVD profile would be used with both releases, one of them with the wrong cover (first come first serve). I don't know about the packaging of those releases, but I assume that both the DVD and the BD would be in the same case. Then it would be easy to correct the child cover locally by copying the parent cover to the child. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jmbox: Quote:
Allow the DVD to be primary, and make PAL/NTSC/Anamorphic selectable under our control. If the BD is primary, we don't use them. As has been said before, you can't leave PAL/NTSC blank. Either one has to be selected. |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting jmbox:
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Allow the DVD to be primary, and make PAL/NTSC/Anamorphic selectable under our control. If the BD is primary, we don't use them.
As has been said before, you can't leave PAL/NTSC blank. Either one has to be selected. I believe Ken has the power to change that behaviour... |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | It should be common sense for everyone that the Blu-ray is always the primary, because it is the far superior format, in a few years DVDs will be almost gone, and another point is the DVD has nothing to offer that is not on the Blu-ray.it is redundant and inferior, so why make it the primary entry ?
This is beyond reason imho.
cheers
Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 79 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
It should be common sense for everyone that the Blu-ray is always the primary, because it is the far superior format, in a few years DVDs will be almost gone, and another point is the DVD has nothing to offer that is not on the Blu-ray.it is redundant and inferior, so why make it the primary entry ? It may be common sense for consumers that own Blu-ray players. For others, however, the BD is just a useless extra disc. If I understand you correctly, you claim that all content will be available on the BD in the set. The upcoming UK DVD+BD Ozu releases from the BFI are proof of the contrary. The DVD will contain a bonus feature film not on the BD. I would prefer that we let the box and cover determine what is the primary disc rather than always choose the blu-ray. |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 74 |
| | Posted: | | | | If Ken was up to it, there would be a possibility to have a selection per type of disc (HD or non-HD). Only 2 would be enough today as HD-DVD is definitely not going to be mixed with BD.
So the region, video type, features, sound, subtitles, ... could be selected under 2 columns/zones. It would eliminate the selection of which is one the main, and also the need for a DVD child (as they have been popping up recently).
I am sure this is going to create some controversy.
Kaput | | | | Last edited: by kaput5 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Did this question ever get resolved, I noticed on one of my Blu-ray + DVD combo releases during the update it had anamophic checked because of the Bonus DVD. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| | Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Did this question ever get resolved. Would like to know this also, have just seen a contribution adding anamorphic to a combo set's parent |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I woul;d ay that ticking the anamorphic on the BD parent is lunacy. We add children for the Combos and, of course, Anamophic should be ticked with the DVD Child.However, be carefil, thanks to Disney we have films that are BD=DVD Combo and also a DVD+ BD Combo. In the second instance then the DVD parent would be appropriately checkedas anamorphic. Sadly this marketing technique seems to be catching on there appears to be two Combos for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
It should be common sense for everyone that the Blu-ray is always the primary, because it is the far superior format, Whatever the reason (and i disagree DVD will be gone soon; the vast majority of people I know haven't gone BD and most of those wouldn't get any bonus out of it if they did) the Rule state: "A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile."It doesn't matter whether the studio says the DVD or the BD is the bonus, we profile the BD it as main profile. The problem IMO comes with: "you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile."... same problem as with season sets etc in the Rules... the use of the word "may". Therefore, as I see it, at present we have to mark the main profile PAL/NTSC and anamorphic/not anamorphic tick boxes as per the DVD because it is not mandatory to create or use the DVD child profile and those who don't use/do so (similarly to people who don't use disc child profiles) have to have all the info in the parent profile. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
... same problem as with season sets etc in the Rules... the use of the word "may". Therefore, as I see it, at present we have to mark the main profile PAL/NTSC and anamorphic/not anamorphic tick boxes as per the DVD because it is not mandatory to create or use the DVD child profile and those who don't use/do so (similarly to people who don't use disc child profiles) have to have all the info in the parent profile. We have no choice with PAL/NTSC as the program enables it by default for combo profiles. But this kind of reasoning would also lead us to list audio tracks, subtitles, special features etc. from the DVD in the main profile and this is AFAIK never done, and really why would anyone want to add that confusion to the profile, it only devalues the data. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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