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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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If Kluge would use the proper form for Common Name, in this case William Wisher (William Wisher, Jr.) I would have little problem with him. But he has not, he has chosen an incorrect form that breaks the link to other CREDITED entries by simply changing it to William Wisher.

Skip

Skip, I suggest that you try it in your own local. Set William Wisher credited as (William Wisher, Jr.). Since Mr. Wisher is uncredited, that is not possible.

Point taken, reybr. But it still breaks the link to William Wisher, Jr. Credited in Terminator.

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Point taken, reybr. But it still breaks the link to William Wisher, Jr. Credited in Terminator.

And again: that's not because Kluge's change is incorrect, it's because your 'Terminator' profile is incorrect (missing the much-needed common name). His entry in your 'Terminator' profile should read "William Wisher [William Wisher, Jr.]", not just "William Wisher, Jr."

Rather than voting against Kluge's correct update, you need to fix your own 'Terminator' profiles instead.

That's all there is to it, Skip. There's always going to be work involved: the guy is credited multiple times as X, once as Y, and then there's this (uncredited) entry. The matter is never going to be resolved with one "yes" or "no"-vote to a contribution: you're always going to have to adjust some of the other entries yourself. In the current system, there's just no way round that. You can't say: I don't like that because "it breaks the link to William Wisher, Jr. Credited in Terminator", because that's the ONLY time he's ever credited as such. You can't demand from Kluge that he uses the least-used (only once) name variant as the common name.

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How can we possibly come up with a common name from the CLT, when so many profiiles have incorrect entries?

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Again, 

How can we possibly come up with a common name from the CLT, when so many profiiles have incorrect entries?

I agree, Charlie. This one looks like a can of worms. But I am sure that Tim will be only too happy to change every Profile in the world based on his copy or two. These need to checked and verified by the owners, not somebody making assumptions.

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that's a FACT.

The only FACT is that you haven't been able to show me a "William Wisher Jr." (no comma) credit. If you can, then we'll talk.

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that's a FACT.

The only FACT is that you haven't been able to show me a "William Wisher Jr." (no comma) credit. If you can, then we'll talk.

Tim:

I can only read the data we have. Unlike you I don't claim to have the means to read credits I don't own. I can only state what I have in my data. And I have William Wisher (his crew Credit) and William Wisher, Jr (the credit he seems to use for acting). But i will not state that William Wisher Jr. is WRONG because I don't OWN any of the copies that claim to have William Wisher Jr. in the credits, they need to be verified and i don;'t mean by someone who is making assumptions, I mean verified by someone who OWNS the titles.

I also know that summarily changing William Wisher, Jr. (uncredited) to William Wisher (uncredited) establishes a link to his Crew Credits but breaks the link to any of his Credited acting credits. So, we have a lot of work to do, those who own any of the films that list William Wisher Jr. need to verify that data, I would guess that they are likely IMDb imports, but that's simply an educated guess, Tim and nothing based on fact. Again i don't own every copy in the world and can't verify that which i do not own, and won't presume that I can.

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No it's not since it does break a link, Tim.

There has to be a better way...and i know what that is but...

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No it's not since it does break a link, Tim.

That's what common name changes do, Skip: they establish links with the most-credited form of a person's name, and they break links with the less-used name variants. The latter entries then also need to be updated to incorporate the common name.

Like it or not, that's how the system works. You simply have to accept that having "William Wisher, Jr." in your 'Terminator' profile is wrong. Since he's only ever credited as such once, it should be "William Wisher [William Wisher, Jr.]", and then no link will be broken by Kluge's correction.