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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Live with it. I will. With what the rules actually say, that is, not with your preference. As I said back on page one: the rules clearly don't say "enter the studios exactly as credited on-screen" - with an added note about the suffixes perhaps. They could have easily said so, but they don't. Nothing would have been simpler than to just put a simple line like that. But a conscious decision was made not to do that, but instead allow us to use the full and "correct" studio names. And yes, I can live with that. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | With respect to using "correct" studio names, Metro Goldwyn Mayer may be "correct for film A but not film B whereas Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer is correct for Film B but not Film A. Context matters. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | I happen to see things differently, and I explained why. If the intent was to simply enter what we see, the rules would have said so. But they don't. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
What you miss is the filter by studio that allows to see all the profiles of your collection where a specific studio was implied. I didn't miss that. In fact, I use it all the time...but it is not a linking system, it is a filter. You do know that we have the same exact thing for cast and crew, right? I wonder why people were begging for a linking system when they already had one. Quote:
The linking of studios already exists, and may be, for some users, as important as the linking of actors. That's why the "as credited" non written (in this case) rule would be as damageable as it is for credit names, and would have to be completed by a CLT for studios which would not work better than that about names... The CLT and linking system doesn't work for actors because it is filled with bad data. Had it been filled with 'as credited' data, things would be different as I already explained. Ignore it if you want, but the CLT isn't the problem, the data is. Garbage in, garbage out. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I happen to see things differently, and I explained why. If the intent was to simply enter what we see, the rules would have said so. But they don't. And I have explained why they don't. Are we really going to keep going around and around repeating the same mantra over and over again? It really seems a bit silly...especially when most users are already entering them 'as credited'...exactly 'as credited'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I happen to see things differently, and I explained why. If the intent was to simply enter what we see, the rules would have said so. But they don't. The intent of the rules was not to use the "As Credited" approach. Just the opposite. Fact is, during the 1st re-write of the rules (or was it the 2nd) this was debated quite extensively. The overwhelming majority was all for making the change to as credited. IIRC the final vote was around 13 to 1 to make the change. The "1" however felt he knew better than the 13 and, since he was the liaison with Ken it did not get changed. The biggest objection to the change at that time was having to go back and re-do all of the existing profiles. Obviously opinions have changed over the years since the one person who strongly opposed the official rule change now seems to be all for using as credited.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Boy do I remember that discussion...mainly because I was the outsider and instigator.  Not much has changed since then. Most of the people I talk to, and all the contributions I see, use the 'as credited' method. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
The intent of the rules was not to use the "As Credited" approach. Just the opposite. There we go. So I'm following the rules as written, AND their original intent. That's good to hear...  Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Most of the people I talk to, and all the contributions I see, use the 'as credited' method. Most of the people I talk to, and virtually all the contributions I see, use 'correct studio names'. Seriously. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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The intent of the rules was not to use the "As Credited" approach. Just the opposite.
There we go. So I'm following the rules as written, AND their original intent. That's good to hear... As is often said to Skip, it doesn't matter what the original intent was, only what the rules say...which is debatable and why I tried to get the rule changed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Most of the people I talk to, and virtually all the contributions I see, use 'correct studio names'. Seriously. Stop talking about "correct" studio names. Neither Metro Goldwyn Mayer not Metro-Godwyn-Mayer is more correct than the other. What you choose to refer to as "correct studio names" will change over time. "As credited" studio names remain constant barring any revision of the actual film credits. Of course, such a revision of film credits would entail the concept of "re-release" and, therfore, shouldn't be considered anyway. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
As is often said to Skip, it doesn't matter what the original intent was, only what the rules say... I fully agree with that - and I've explained what I feel the rules say. I was just happy to have it confirmed that my interpretation of the rule as written matches the original intent. I can't help it that lately just about everything in the rules is classed as "debatable"...  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Color me confused.
Skip,
Weren't you compiling a list of acceptable studio names at one point for the database??? Whatever happened to that? | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I did and I stopped it because of the behavior of the dolts in this forum. It was brought to Invelos by James and eventually removed. People, such as, tim, who bel;ieve they know all and know nothing are and whose only desire is to drag this database into a pit that we will not get outt of in huis haste to get what HE wants, without thinking,. are the reason that Dan removed his pictures from the the Case thread. he has had enough and so have I, I have tried every approach i can think and some here are just not wise enough to get it. I am out and DONE. You WILL never create the database that Profiler could be , you as a group aren't intelligent enough. i have tried my best, and been called every name in the book and continuously insulted, denigrated, demeaned and whatever other adjectives are out thert. Out. I have had enough, god luck ken, you are on your own. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
I did and I stopped it because of the behavior of the dolts in this forum. It was brought to Invelos by James and eventually removed. People, such as, tim, who bel;ieve they know all and know nothing are and whose only desire is to drag this database into a pit that we will not get outt of in huis haste to get what HE wants, without thinking,. are the reason that Dan removed his pictures from the the Case thread. he has had enough and so have I, I have tried every approach i can think and some here are just not wise enough to get it. I am out and DONE. You WILL never create the database that Profiler could be , you as a group aren't intelligent enough. i have tried my best, and been called every name in the book and continuously insulted, denigrated, demeaned and whatever other adjectives are out thert.
Out.
I have had enough, god luck ken, you are on your own.
Skip Ummm...did I just miss something here? Either way, I guess we'll see you next week. Back on topic, I never did catch what happened to the pinned studio thread. Personally, I thought that was a nice answer given the constraints we have to work with. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Back on topic, I never did catch what happened to the pinned studio thread. Personally, I thought that was a nice answer given the constraints we have to work with. When Skip didn't bring it here from Intervocative, I thought someone needed to maintain it because I thought we had to have it. So I brought the data here and maintained it for a while. Then there was a discussion in that thread as to whether or not it was required that one use the "correct names" listed in the thread or not. Some pointed out that the rules only direct users to the forum and not to that thread. When this discussion came up, I decided I didn't care to maintain it if it was only an optional exercise. I finally made contact with Ken to ask that he either (1) amend the rule to direct users to use the 'correct names' from the thread (in which case I would continue to maintain it) or (2) unpin the thread. He unpinned the thread. Found the thread. If anyone wants to start a new version, let me know and I'll send you the data we had there. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
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