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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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OTH, it does say "created by...". 


Using your logic, we are going to have a lot more 'writer' credits.  'Based on the book written by Michael Crichton' now, using your logic, becomes 'written by Michael Crichton' because the words 'written by' are in the credit.  I guess I should start making those changes. 
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'Screen Story by' is is in the credited as column for 'Story by' just like the words 'based on' are in the notes section for 'OCB'.  I have no other choice.

The notes section is not allowed as a source for a role name. "Based on" is not allowed as a credit according to the rules.


"Screen Story By" is not in the notes section.  It's in the credited as section.  It's a perfectly allowable credit even under the strictest of interpretations.
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'Screen Story by' is is in the credited as column for 'Story by' just like the words 'based on' are in the notes section for 'OCB'.  I have no other choice.

The notes section is not allowed as a source for a role name. "Based on" is not allowed as a credit according to the rules.


"Screen Story By" is not in the notes section.  It's in the credited as section.  It's a perfectly allowable credit even under the strictest of interpretations.


I believe he is saying that we can't enter any credit that starts out with 'based on' because 'based on' is in the notes section instead of the credited as section.
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'Screen Story by' is is in the credited as column for 'Story by' just like the words 'based on' are in the notes section for 'OCB'.  I have no other choice.

The notes section is not allowed as a source for a role name. "Based on" is not allowed as a credit according to the rules.


"Screen Story By" is not in the notes section.  It's in the credited as section.  It's a perfectly allowable credit even under the strictest of interpretations.


I believe he is saying that we can't enter any credit that starts out with 'based on' because 'based on' is in the notes section instead of the credited as section.

Exactly! The rules do only allow role names listed in the "role" and "credited as" columns. Neither spelling variations nor functional equivalents are allowed.

IMO the rules are too restrictive here and functional equivalents should be allowed. Even though only "direct translations" are allowed for foreign language credits, people are used to enter functional equivalents without any problem for foreign films. I see no reason not to allow them for English films as well.
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OTH, it does say "created by...". 


Using your logic, we are going to have a lot more 'writer' credits.  'Based on the book written by Michael Crichton' now, using your logic, becomes 'written by Michael Crichton' because the words 'written by' are in the credit.  I guess I should start making those changes. 


I honestly cannot say I recall having seen a credit in this format, but I haven't seen them all.  The norm for OMB seems to be "Based on the novel by" or "Based on a poem by" or "Based on an article by" or "Based on a play by" 

But if you find one like that, be my guest in making what ever changes you think are appropriate. 

One thing is absolutely certain.  'Based on Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry' cannot be entered as OCB under the current Rules.
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One thing is absolutely certain.  'Based on Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry' cannot be entered as OCB under the current Rules.

Agreed! According to the rules it should not be entered at all and according to me it should be entered as OMB.
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Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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the serie is created by Gene Roddenberry
the movies Star Trek I to IV have the same characters as this serie in the same universe, so the created by is appropriate. Gene Roddenberry created that universe. If he did not there would be no movies.


I agree.

As far as I am concerned, the movies are nothing more than "2-hr." episodes of the series.  As I stated earlier, their titles all include 'Star Trek' followed by an episode descriptor.
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the serie is created by Gene Roddenberry
the movies Star Trek I to IV have the same characters as this serie in the same universe, so the created by is appropriate. Gene Roddenberry created that universe. If he did not there would be no movies.


However the credit is the same in all Star Trek films "Based on Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry", and I remember something about a legal dispute maybe on the last TV series (Star Trek: Enterprise, originally titled Enterprise prior to the third season).

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As far as I am concerned, the movies are nothing more than "2-hr." episodes of the series.  As I stated earlier, their titles all include 'Star Trek' followed by an episode descriptor.


So, this is the problem, as far as I know there is no such thing as a credit "Created by" in a film, I have never seen it and I'm waiting for someone that can show me the contrary.
Maybe we should change also the rating (TV and not Film)?

Anyway I'm waiting for the screener review of my contribution.
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the serie is created by Gene Roddenberry
the movies Star Trek I to IV have the same characters as this serie in the same universe, so the created by is appropriate. Gene Roddenberry created that universe. If he did not there would be no movies.

That's irrelevant. If Arthur Conan Doyle hadn't created Sherlock Holmes, there'd be no Sherlock Holmes movies. If Shakespeare hadn't written Hamlet, there'd be no Hamlet movies!
That fact that the movies are based in the same universe as the original TV series does not mean that Gene Roddenberry created anything for those movies.
If the credit had simply read: "Star Trek Created By..." I could see the argument for using it, but it says "Based On Star Trek..." and that makes all the difference: either OCB or OMB is the right credit to give.
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the serie is created by Gene Roddenberry
the movies Star Trek I to IV have the same characters as this serie in the same universe, so the created by is appropriate. Gene Roddenberry created that universe. If he did not there would be no movies.

That's irrelevant. If Arthur Conan Doyle hadn't created Sherlock Holmes, there'd be no Sherlock Holmes movies. If Shakespeare hadn't written Hamlet, there'd be no Hamlet movies!
That fact that the movies are based in the same universe as the original TV series does not mean that Gene Roddenberry created anything for those movies.
If the credit had simply read: "Star Trek Created By..." I could see the argument for using it, but it says "Based On Star Trek..." and that makes all the difference: either OCB or OMB is the right credit to give.


The difference here is that you are talking about moveis based on literary works.

That analogy does not apply in this case.
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The difference here is that you are talking about moveis based on literary works.

That analogy does not apply in this case.


Why not? Maybe a TV show and a film are the same thing?
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The difference here is that you are talking about moveis based on literary works.

That analogy does not apply in this case.


Why not? Maybe a TV show and a film are the same thing?

Exactly. Why does the medium of the original make any difference? We make no differentiation between books, plays, musicals - why should we make a difference just because it's based on a TV show?
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The difference here is that you are talking about moveis based on literary works.

That analogy does not apply in this case.


Why not? Maybe a TV show and a film are the same thing?

Exactly. Why does the medium of the original make any difference? We make no differentiation between books, plays, musicals - why should we make a difference just because it's based on a TV show?


Just a small example.  What is the difference between the last episode of season six of '24' and the recently released made for TV movie '24: Redemption'?

If you can't see the difference between these and movies based on Shakespearean plays, I don't know what to say.
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Just a small example.  What is the difference between the last episode of season six of '24' and the recently released made for TV movie '24: Redemption'?

There's a big difference between that situation and the one we're talking about here.
If you can't see that difference, I don't know what to say.
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Just a small example.  What is the difference between the last episode of season six of '24' and the recently released made for TV movie '24: Redemption'?

There's a big difference between that situation and the one we're talking about here.
If you can't see that difference, I don't know what to say.


On the contrary, it is not all that different.  The movies are direct extensions of the TV series.
Hal
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